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Attributes | |
ACN | 440109 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lou.airport |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lou.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Cessna 152 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lou.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 59 flight time total : 1299 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 440109 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : took evasive action none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 75 vertical : 20 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Flying in the pattern, doing touch and goes, with a student who is close to soloing. Traffic got heavy with at least 1 aircraft we heard report 6 mi out, and had been monitoring its progress. Additionally, traffic was departing. Tower sequenced us #3 behind an aircraft on short final and 'a navajo ahead and to your left.' the navajo was coming in from the west, through standiford's (louisville's) airspace, so we had been unaware of its presence until this sequencing. We had started our turn to base, but tower immediately instructed us to widen back out onto downwind. We immediately complied and asked tower to call our base as we had negative visual contact with the traffic (navajo) at that point. A few moments later, tower called our base and we saw the navajo. The frequency was congested, with numerous 'step-ONS,' and the #1 aircraft reported going around. At this point we were on final, farther from the airport than usual, in standiford's airspace (which I understood to be okay, as tower had instructed us to go extend downwind, etc). We had heard some xmissions from a helicopter (helicopter Y) regarding departing from the approach end of the airport, but didn't hear direction of flight. At this point, tower said, quite sharply, 'helicopter Y, do you have the cessna on final?' my student saw it a split second before I did, on a level course toward us. I saw it just as it began evasive action, then the pilot replied 'now I do.' at that point evasive action by us was unnecessary. Contributing factors: heavy traffic, congested frequency, we couldn't determine the helicopter's intentions by listening to the frequency. Tower did not advise us of the helicopter, ever, and helicopter was painted in a shade similar to the background.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC BTWN A CESSNA 152 ON AN EXTENDED FINAL, DUE TO TFC SEQUENCING BY THE TWR, AND A DEPARTING MEDICAL HELI COMING STRAIGHT AT THE C150 FROM DEPARTING THE APCH END OF THE RWY TO WHICH C152 WAS HEADED.
Narrative: FLYING IN THE PATTERN, DOING TOUCH AND GOES, WITH A STUDENT WHO IS CLOSE TO SOLOING. TFC GOT HVY WITH AT LEAST 1 ACFT WE HEARD RPT 6 MI OUT, AND HAD BEEN MONITORING ITS PROGRESS. ADDITIONALLY, TFC WAS DEPARTING. TWR SEQUENCED US #3 BEHIND AN ACFT ON SHORT FINAL AND 'A NAVAJO AHEAD AND TO YOUR L.' THE NAVAJO WAS COMING IN FROM THE W, THROUGH STANDIFORD'S (LOUISVILLE'S) AIRSPACE, SO WE HAD BEEN UNAWARE OF ITS PRESENCE UNTIL THIS SEQUENCING. WE HAD STARTED OUR TURN TO BASE, BUT TWR IMMEDIATELY INSTRUCTED US TO WIDEN BACK OUT ONTO DOWNWIND. WE IMMEDIATELY COMPLIED AND ASKED TWR TO CALL OUR BASE AS WE HAD NEGATIVE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE TFC (NAVAJO) AT THAT POINT. A FEW MOMENTS LATER, TWR CALLED OUR BASE AND WE SAW THE NAVAJO. THE FREQ WAS CONGESTED, WITH NUMEROUS 'STEP-ONS,' AND THE #1 ACFT RPTED GOING AROUND. AT THIS POINT WE WERE ON FINAL, FARTHER FROM THE ARPT THAN USUAL, IN STANDIFORD'S AIRSPACE (WHICH I UNDERSTOOD TO BE OKAY, AS TWR HAD INSTRUCTED US TO GO EXTEND DOWNWIND, ETC). WE HAD HEARD SOME XMISSIONS FROM A HELI (HELI Y) REGARDING DEPARTING FROM THE APCH END OF THE ARPT, BUT DIDN'T HEAR DIRECTION OF FLT. AT THIS POINT, TWR SAID, QUITE SHARPLY, 'HELI Y, DO YOU HAVE THE CESSNA ON FINAL?' MY STUDENT SAW IT A SPLIT SECOND BEFORE I DID, ON A LEVEL COURSE TOWARD US. I SAW IT JUST AS IT BEGAN EVASIVE ACTION, THEN THE PLT REPLIED 'NOW I DO.' AT THAT POINT EVASIVE ACTION BY US WAS UNNECESSARY. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: HVY TFC, CONGESTED FREQ, WE COULDN'T DETERMINE THE HELI'S INTENTIONS BY LISTENING TO THE FREQ. TWR DID NOT ADVISE US OF THE HELI, EVER, AND HELI WAS PAINTED IN A SHADE SIMILAR TO THE BACKGROUND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.