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Attributes | |
ACN | 445633 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : bwg.vortac |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 34000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 445633 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 625 |
ASRS Report | 445456 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : airspeed |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic flight crew : declared emergency |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
ATC advised us to hold south of bowling green, 175 degree radial, 20 NM legs. Aircraft was flying at FL350. Captain knew aircraft was a little heavy for holding at FL350 by checking holding airspeed/altitude chart. Captain elected to stay at FL350 in order to conserve fuel. Initially aircraft responded well in turns in holding at FL350. On second turn in holding, captain noted that aircraft was unable to hold airspeed at maximum thrust. Captain advised the copilot to inform ATC that the flight needed a lower altitude. ATC informed flight that lower was unavailable. Several radio calls followed from crew informing ATC that lower was required because the aircraft was unable to maintain speed. ATC did offer to allow aircraft to drive straight instead of turning in a holding pattern, but by that time the aircraft was losing airspeed and was unable to regain it. After several more calls the crew was informed that lower was only possible if the flight declared an emergency. Before airspeed reached an unsafe perimeter, the captain declared an emergency and descended to FL340. Crew requested FL310 and was subsequently cleared to FL310. When leaving FL350, ATC advised of traffic which was seen by crew. No TA or RA advisories were experienced during the event. Once at FL310, aircraft was able to hold at proper speeds and power settings.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN MLG WAS UNABLE TO HOLD ASSIGNED HOLDING ALT DUE TO EXCEEDING THE ACFT'S OPERATING LIMITATIONS. THEREFORE, SINCE ARTCC CTLR COULD NOT ASSIGN LOWER ALT DUE TO TFC, EMER WAS DECLARED AND LOWER ALT PROVIDED.
Narrative: ATC ADVISED US TO HOLD S OF BOWLING GREEN, 175 DEG RADIAL, 20 NM LEGS. ACFT WAS FLYING AT FL350. CAPT KNEW ACFT WAS A LITTLE HVY FOR HOLDING AT FL350 BY CHKING HOLDING AIRSPD/ALT CHART. CAPT ELECTED TO STAY AT FL350 IN ORDER TO CONSERVE FUEL. INITIALLY ACFT RESPONDED WELL IN TURNS IN HOLDING AT FL350. ON SECOND TURN IN HOLDING, CAPT NOTED THAT ACFT WAS UNABLE TO HOLD AIRSPD AT MAX THRUST. CAPT ADVISED THE COPLT TO INFORM ATC THAT THE FLT NEEDED A LOWER ALT. ATC INFORMED FLT THAT LOWER WAS UNAVAILABLE. SEVERAL RADIO CALLS FOLLOWED FROM CREW INFORMING ATC THAT LOWER WAS REQUIRED BECAUSE THE ACFT WAS UNABLE TO MAINTAIN SPD. ATC DID OFFER TO ALLOW ACFT TO DRIVE STRAIGHT INSTEAD OF TURNING IN A HOLDING PATTERN, BUT BY THAT TIME THE ACFT WAS LOSING AIRSPD AND WAS UNABLE TO REGAIN IT. AFTER SEVERAL MORE CALLS THE CREW WAS INFORMED THAT LOWER WAS ONLY POSSIBLE IF THE FLT DECLARED AN EMER. BEFORE AIRSPD REACHED AN UNSAFE PERIMETER, THE CAPT DECLARED AN EMER AND DSNDED TO FL340. CREW REQUESTED FL310 AND WAS SUBSEQUENTLY CLRED TO FL310. WHEN LEAVING FL350, ATC ADVISED OF TFC WHICH WAS SEEN BY CREW. NO TA OR RA ADVISORIES WERE EXPERIENCED DURING THE EVENT. ONCE AT FL310, ACFT WAS ABLE TO HOLD AT PROPER SPDS AND PWR SETTINGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.