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Pilot complains of unsatisfactory set up for approach by approach controller referencing traffic spacing, WX conditions and altitude assignments.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 445770 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199908 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2600 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
| ASRS Report | 445770 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : gpws other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On arrival and descent into lga, approach control gave us direct to lga which took us directly over the twin trade towers. We were at 3000 ft and given a descent to 2700 ft. We were told that we were following a jet over the OM, but did not have target in sight due to cloud layer below us. Controller gave us descent to 2600 ft when we asked if we were in fast on a vector for runway 4. The response was yes, cleared for the visual behind traffic which we never reported as in sight. We were now inside of peths only 2 mi out and still at 2600 ft. I will never trust lga approach again to provide safe interval or allow for a normal descent for landing. This is my third such incident on the back side of the clock night arrival that need not require a high descent rate to recover. The sink rate GPWS on short final was audible in the cabin. Only 2 calls were given but a go around would have been more prudent. Normal descent for landing. This is my third such incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT COMPLAINS OF UNSATISFACTORY SET UP FOR APCH BY APCH CTLR REFING TFC SPACING, WX CONDITIONS AND ALT ASSIGNMENTS.
Narrative: ON ARR AND DSCNT INTO LGA, APCH CTL GAVE US DIRECT TO LGA WHICH TOOK US DIRECTLY OVER THE TWIN TRADE TOWERS. WE WERE AT 3000 FT AND GIVEN A DSCNT TO 2700 FT. WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING A JET OVER THE OM, BUT DID NOT HAVE TARGET IN SIGHT DUE TO CLOUD LAYER BELOW US. CTLR GAVE US DSCNT TO 2600 FT WHEN WE ASKED IF WE WERE IN FAST ON A VECTOR FOR RWY 4. THE RESPONSE WAS YES, CLRED FOR THE VISUAL BEHIND TFC WHICH WE NEVER RPTED AS IN SIGHT. WE WERE NOW INSIDE OF PETHS ONLY 2 MI OUT AND STILL AT 2600 FT. I WILL NEVER TRUST LGA APCH AGAIN TO PROVIDE SAFE INTERVAL OR ALLOW FOR A NORMAL DSCNT FOR LNDG. THIS IS MY THIRD SUCH INCIDENT ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE CLOCK NIGHT ARR THAT NEED NOT REQUIRE A HIGH DSCNT RATE TO RECOVER. THE SINK RATE GPWS ON SHORT FINAL WAS AUDIBLE IN THE CABIN. ONLY 2 CALLS WERE GIVEN BUT A GAR WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PRUDENT. NORMAL DSCNT FOR LNDG. THIS IS MY THIRD SUCH INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.