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Attributes | |
ACN | 447014 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : sie.vortac |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 34500 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 447014 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 15000 vertical : 1500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier XXX was proceeding direct sie when directed by ATC to 'cross 25 mi south of sie at and maintain FL350.' my captain and I heard the as crossing 25 south of sie at FL250. The captain repeated the clearance as I heard it '...25 mi south of sie at FL250.' since there was no correcting statement or response from ATC, I started a rapid descent to FL250, the crossing restr would be required almost at a 4000 FPM rate. Passing through approximately FL360-FL355, we decided we would not make the restr at FL250 and notified ATC. ATC responded with an amendment clearance to maintain FL350. We immediately initiated a climb back to FL350. As the aircraft had already descended through FL350, there were no RA's or heading changes required. The controller afterwards said in a casual voice that we may have had a separation problem with another aircraft. We were surprised by this as we did not get any RA's of traffic alerts from the TCASII or any vectors from ATC. After being passed onto the next frequency, we were advised of the 'loss of separation' officially. The incident could have been avoided if the controller had corrected us on our readback.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLC AT FL370 WERE ISSUED A DSCNT CLRNC BY ZDC CTLR. CREW LATER LEARNED THE DSCNT ALT WAS TO FL350 AND NOT FL250 AS READ BACK BY THE CREW.
Narrative: ACR XXX WAS PROCEEDING DIRECT SIE WHEN DIRECTED BY ATC TO 'CROSS 25 MI S OF SIE AT AND MAINTAIN FL350.' MY CAPT AND I HEARD THE AS XING 25 S OF SIE AT FL250. THE CAPT REPEATED THE CLRNC AS I HEARD IT '...25 MI S OF SIE AT FL250.' SINCE THERE WAS NO CORRECTING STATEMENT OR RESPONSE FROM ATC, I STARTED A RAPID DSCNT TO FL250, THE XING RESTR WOULD BE REQUIRED ALMOST AT A 4000 FPM RATE. PASSING THROUGH APPROX FL360-FL355, WE DECIDED WE WOULD NOT MAKE THE RESTR AT FL250 AND NOTIFIED ATC. ATC RESPONDED WITH AN AMENDMENT CLRNC TO MAINTAIN FL350. WE IMMEDIATELY INITIATED A CLB BACK TO FL350. AS THE ACFT HAD ALREADY DSNDED THROUGH FL350, THERE WERE NO RA'S OR HDG CHANGES REQUIRED. THE CTLR AFTERWARDS SAID IN A CASUAL VOICE THAT WE MAY HAVE HAD A SEPARATION PROB WITH ANOTHER ACFT. WE WERE SURPRISED BY THIS AS WE DID NOT GET ANY RA'S OF TFC ALERTS FROM THE TCASII OR ANY VECTORS FROM ATC. AFTER BEING PASSED ONTO THE NEXT FREQ, WE WERE ADVISED OF THE 'LOSS OF SEPARATION' OFFICIALLY. THE INCIDENT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE CTLR HAD CORRECTED US ON OUR READBACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.