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Attributes | |
ACN | 447638 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm Turbulence |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-C/F |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 447638 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 14000 |
ASRS Report | 446744 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departing ord on aug/xa/99 approximately XA45Z, assigned by departure control to maintain 5000 ft and heading 090 degrees. The first officer was the PF. A significant thunderstorm was in our 9-11 O'clock position, moving left to right. Prior to takeoff, the first officer advised tower that we would require a turn shortly after takeoff on runway 9. The tower reported they did not paint the WX we were concerned about but replied a turn after takeoff would be no problem. After takeoff, departure control assigned a left turn to 270 degrees which would put us in the WX. The captain turned down the clearance. Departure then assigned a right turn to 270 degrees, which would have been ok and was what the first officer was expecting. The captain turned down that clearance also. Departure then asked what he wanted to do, and the captain further complicated things with a lengthy dissertation neither of which the controller nor the first officer understood. At this time we were going through 5000 ft and the controller then said maintain 6000 ft, which we did. The captain was reluctant to turn right, but a right turn was much better than continuing on our present heading because we were getting into the blowoff from the storm at our 11:30 position. Both pilots were looking at the radar when the altitude bust occurred. I thought we had been cleared to a higher altitude but the captain had turned down the clearance and in the confusion we went through 5000 ft. CRM was non existent as the captain was dictating to everyone what to do and when to do it. Nothing was said by departure about going through 5000 ft. We never verified if it was an altitude bust or not.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B747-F FLC CLBED ABOVE ASSIGNED ALT DEPARTING FROM ORD.
Narrative: DEPARTING ORD ON AUG/XA/99 APPROX XA45Z, ASSIGNED BY DEP CTL TO MAINTAIN 5000 FT AND HDG 090 DEGS. THE FO WAS THE PF. A SIGNIFICANT TSTM WAS IN OUR 9-11 O'CLOCK POS, MOVING L TO R. PRIOR TO TKOF, THE FO ADVISED TWR THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE A TURN SHORTLY AFTER TKOF ON RWY 9. THE TWR RPTED THEY DID NOT PAINT THE WX WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT BUT REPLIED A TURN AFTER TKOF WOULD BE NO PROB. AFTER TKOF, DEP CTL ASSIGNED A L TURN TO 270 DEGS WHICH WOULD PUT US IN THE WX. THE CAPT TURNED DOWN THE CLRNC. DEP THEN ASSIGNED A R TURN TO 270 DEGS, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN OK AND WAS WHAT THE FO WAS EXPECTING. THE CAPT TURNED DOWN THAT CLRNC ALSO. DEP THEN ASKED WHAT HE WANTED TO DO, AND THE CAPT FURTHER COMPLICATED THINGS WITH A LENGTHY DISSERTATION NEITHER OF WHICH THE CTLR NOR THE FO UNDERSTOOD. AT THIS TIME WE WERE GOING THROUGH 5000 FT AND THE CTLR THEN SAID MAINTAIN 6000 FT, WHICH WE DID. THE CAPT WAS RELUCTANT TO TURN R, BUT A R TURN WAS MUCH BETTER THAN CONTINUING ON OUR PRESENT HDG BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING INTO THE BLOWOFF FROM THE STORM AT OUR 11:30 POS. BOTH PLTS WERE LOOKING AT THE RADAR WHEN THE ALT BUST OCCURRED. I THOUGHT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO A HIGHER ALT BUT THE CAPT HAD TURNED DOWN THE CLRNC AND IN THE CONFUSION WE WENT THROUGH 5000 FT. CRM WAS NON EXISTENT AS THE CAPT WAS DICTATING TO EVERYONE WHAT TO DO AND WHEN TO DO IT. NOTHING WAS SAID BY DEP ABOUT GOING THROUGH 5000 FT. WE NEVER VERIFIED IF IT WAS AN ALT BUST OR NOT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.