37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 447859 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pub.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : pub.tower |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government other |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 1800 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 447859 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : became reoriented |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared apparently from the ramp to runway 8R but 'heard' runway 8L and began to follow a bizjet also taxiing for runway 8L. We had informed ground of a north VFR departure and were expecting runway 8L to facilitate the turnout. During taxi we crossed from the ramp to what appeared to be a taxiway paralleling the ramp and runways. We were immediately contacted by tower who informed us we were on runway 8R and directing us back to the ramp for the remainder of our taxi. There was no apparent runway identify signing until reaching the threshold area. There was no traffic besides the bizjet and no safety was compromised although the potential is obvious. Factors: hearing what was 'expected' rather than what the tower apparently really said. My unfamiliarity with this airport, having only landed there twice in the past 10 yrs. Inadequate signing/demarcation to show the north edge of the ramp was in fact a runway. Copilot was familiar with the airport but busy reviewing our departure procedure and failed to notice our position until we were contacted by the tower. He stated his experience was the runway was only used for VFR touch and go which contributed (probably) to his expectation of receiving runway 8L also.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT TAXIES ONTO RWY ADJACENT TO RAMP AT PUB.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED APPARENTLY FROM THE RAMP TO RWY 8R BUT 'HEARD' RWY 8L AND BEGAN TO FOLLOW A BIZJET ALSO TAXIING FOR RWY 8L. WE HAD INFORMED GND OF A N VFR DEP AND WERE EXPECTING RWY 8L TO FACILITATE THE TURNOUT. DURING TAXI WE CROSSED FROM THE RAMP TO WHAT APPEARED TO BE A TXWY PARALLELING THE RAMP AND RWYS. WE WERE IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED BY TWR WHO INFORMED US WE WERE ON RWY 8R AND DIRECTING US BACK TO THE RAMP FOR THE REMAINDER OF OUR TAXI. THERE WAS NO APPARENT RWY IDENT SIGNING UNTIL REACHING THE THRESHOLD AREA. THERE WAS NO TFC BESIDES THE BIZJET AND NO SAFETY WAS COMPROMISED ALTHOUGH THE POTENTIAL IS OBVIOUS. FACTORS: HEARING WHAT WAS 'EXPECTED' RATHER THAN WHAT THE TWR APPARENTLY REALLY SAID. MY UNFAMILIARITY WITH THIS ARPT, HAVING ONLY LANDED THERE TWICE IN THE PAST 10 YRS. INADEQUATE SIGNING/DEMARCATION TO SHOW THE N EDGE OF THE RAMP WAS IN FACT A RWY. COPLT WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE ARPT BUT BUSY REVIEWING OUR DEP PROC AND FAILED TO NOTICE OUR POS UNTIL WE WERE CONTACTED BY THE TWR. HE STATED HIS EXPERIENCE WAS THE RWY WAS ONLY USED FOR VFR TOUCH AND GO WHICH CONTRIBUTED (PROBABLY) TO HIS EXPECTATION OF RECEIVING RWY 8L ALSO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.