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Attributes | |
ACN | 448657 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : frg.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 650 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC VMC |
Weather Elements | Fog Rain |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 370 flight time type : 10 |
ASRS Report | 448657 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : 927 other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Aircraft Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
After several missed approachs into frg ILS runway 14 and with unreliable VOR/localizer/GS equipment, I requested extended centerline approach to get lined up with more than the 2-3 mi distance ATC was giving to IAF. After ATC informed me that they were unwilling unless I declared an emergency. I chose upon getting to what my unreliable instruments to be as established to immediately perform a localizer approach and drop to MDA (520 ft) (although I went to 600 ft) and get under the layer for a visual approach. Upon my descent and visual acquirement of the runway, ATC (new york TRACON) advised me of a ground proximity alert and informed me of required altitude of 1400 ft AGL for that portion of approach. I informed ATC of visual of frg runway 14. ATC canceled IFR and xferred me to tower. Upon initial contact with tower, they also informed me of ground proximity alert. I again stated I had visual of airport and runway 14. I was cleared for landing. I had experienced inoperative or unreliable instruments on all approachs that day (12 total, 10 missed due to unreliable instruments). I should have waited until VFR conditions prevailed before making the IFR approach attempt. Equally my decision to fly in the first place should have been questioned more. An instrument student in poor IMC followed by our original point of departure dropping to 1/4 mi and 100 ft, should have let me know that these were conditions not suitable for training at a beginner level. My frustration of 10 missed approachs due to unreliable equipment and the desire to complete the flight led me to choose this unsafe method to land in an expeditious manner. I have learned to trust my first instincts, carefully monitor the WX, and most of all not to introduce any student into poor IMC that will or possibly drop significantly to either near or below minimums.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA28 INSTRUCTIONAL FLT IN IMC WITH UNRELIABLE NAV INSTS CAUSES LOW ALT ALERT AT FRG.
Narrative: AFTER SEVERAL MISSED APCHS INTO FRG ILS RWY 14 AND WITH UNRELIABLE VOR/LOC/GS EQUIP, I REQUESTED EXTENDED CTRLINE APCH TO GET LINED UP WITH MORE THAN THE 2-3 MI DISTANCE ATC WAS GIVING TO IAF. AFTER ATC INFORMED ME THAT THEY WERE UNWILLING UNLESS I DECLARED AN EMER. I CHOSE UPON GETTING TO WHAT MY UNRELIABLE INSTS TO BE AS ESTABLISHED TO IMMEDIATELY PERFORM A LOC APCH AND DROP TO MDA (520 FT) (ALTHOUGH I WENT TO 600 FT) AND GET UNDER THE LAYER FOR A VISUAL APCH. UPON MY DSCNT AND VISUAL ACQUIREMENT OF THE RWY, ATC (NEW YORK TRACON) ADVISED ME OF A GND PROX ALERT AND INFORMED ME OF REQUIRED ALT OF 1400 FT AGL FOR THAT PORTION OF APCH. I INFORMED ATC OF VISUAL OF FRG RWY 14. ATC CANCELED IFR AND XFERRED ME TO TWR. UPON INITIAL CONTACT WITH TWR, THEY ALSO INFORMED ME OF GND PROX ALERT. I AGAIN STATED I HAD VISUAL OF ARPT AND RWY 14. I WAS CLRED FOR LNDG. I HAD EXPERIENCED INOP OR UNRELIABLE INSTS ON ALL APCHS THAT DAY (12 TOTAL, 10 MISSED DUE TO UNRELIABLE INSTS). I SHOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL VFR CONDITIONS PREVAILED BEFORE MAKING THE IFR APCH ATTEMPT. EQUALLY MY DECISION TO FLY IN THE FIRST PLACE SHOULD HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED MORE. AN INST STUDENT IN POOR IMC FOLLOWED BY OUR ORIGINAL POINT OF DEP DROPPING TO 1/4 MI AND 100 FT, SHOULD HAVE LET ME KNOW THAT THESE WERE CONDITIONS NOT SUITABLE FOR TRAINING AT A BEGINNER LEVEL. MY FRUSTRATION OF 10 MISSED APCHS DUE TO UNRELIABLE EQUIP AND THE DESIRE TO COMPLETE THE FLT LED ME TO CHOOSE THIS UNSAFE METHOD TO LAND IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER. I HAVE LEARNED TO TRUST MY FIRST INSTINCTS, CAREFULLY MONITOR THE WX, AND MOST OF ALL NOT TO INTRODUCE ANY STUDENT INTO POOR IMC THAT WILL OR POSSIBLY DROP SIGNIFICANTLY TO EITHER NEAR OR BELOW MINIMUMS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.