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Attributes | |
ACN | 448737 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl single value : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 448737 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed go around flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Our aircraft X was vectored on a tight base leg that intercepted the localizer at the OM. The controller then gave us a vector to intercept the final approach course inside of the OM. We were high due to the tight turn-on. The first officer utilized a high rate of descent to get onto the glide path. As a result, we passed the OM in excess of 200 KTS and did not get below 200 KTS until we were on a 3 mi final. Our high speed resulted in very tight spacing behind an aircraft that was still on its takeoff roll as we descended below 500 ft AGL. We elected to go around and on the subsequent approach, the controller again turned us in tight. We had a spacing problem behind an aircraft landing ahead of us, that required a drastic speed reduction. Once on the ground, I called approach control on the telephone to find out why we had been vectored the way we had been. I was told that the controller was a new trainee.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 PIC CALLED M98 TRACON TO COMPLAIN OF HANDLING REQUIRING A GAR.
Narrative: OUR ACFT X WAS VECTORED ON A TIGHT BASE LEG THAT INTERCEPTED THE LOC AT THE OM. THE CTLR THEN GAVE US A VECTOR TO INTERCEPT THE FINAL APCH COURSE INSIDE OF THE OM. WE WERE HIGH DUE TO THE TIGHT TURN-ON. THE FO UTILIZED A HIGH RATE OF DSCNT TO GET ONTO THE GLIDE PATH. AS A RESULT, WE PASSED THE OM IN EXCESS OF 200 KTS AND DID NOT GET BELOW 200 KTS UNTIL WE WERE ON A 3 MI FINAL. OUR HIGH SPD RESULTED IN VERY TIGHT SPACING BEHIND AN ACFT THAT WAS STILL ON ITS TKOF ROLL AS WE DSNDED BELOW 500 FT AGL. WE ELECTED TO GO AROUND AND ON THE SUBSEQUENT APCH, THE CTLR AGAIN TURNED US IN TIGHT. WE HAD A SPACING PROB BEHIND AN ACFT LNDG AHEAD OF US, THAT REQUIRED A DRASTIC SPD REDUCTION. ONCE ON THE GND, I CALLED APCH CTL ON THE TELEPHONE TO FIND OUT WHY WE HAD BEEN VECTORED THE WAY WE HAD BEEN. I WAS TOLD THAT THE CTLR WAS A NEW TRAINEE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.