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Attributes | |
ACN | 449067 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rap.airport |
State Reference | SD |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ewr.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer Helicopter |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 450 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 210 |
ASRS Report | 449067 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Situations | |
Airspace Structure | class e : zdv.e |
Chart | sectional : cheyenne |
Narrative:
While loading a flight of 3 nanchang CJ6A's (yk-18) on a sightseeing/training mission to mount rushmore national monument, I observed several sightseeing helicopters operating into and around the monument. As I orbited my flight outside the published airspace of the monument, I observed that the helicopters also maneuvered in the valleys to the east and north of mount rushmore. From my vantage point above and outside of the mount rushmore airspace I have several concerns and observations: 1) aerial traffic in the mount rushmore area can, at times, be congested. 2) to my knowledge there is no published common radio frequency that traffic can use to coordinate separation. I feel it would be a good idea to at least publish, in an easy to access location (eg: sectional chart) a common frequency for all VFR aircraft to use to coordinate separation. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: pilot was lead pilot of three chinese built yak-18's. The large number of helicopters operating in the area concerned him. The park service has a landing pad for the helicopters. Pilot said it was apparent the helicopters were talking to each other. The pilot was unable to find a common communication frequency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT SUGGESTS A PROC AND RADIO FREQ BE ESTABLISHED FOR SIGHTSEEING OPS IN THE MOUNT RUSHMORE AREA.
Narrative: WHILE LOADING A FLT OF 3 NANCHANG CJ6A'S (YK-18) ON A SIGHTSEEING/TRAINING MISSION TO MOUNT RUSHMORE NATIONAL MONUMENT, I OBSERVED SEVERAL SIGHTSEEING HELICOPTERS OPERATING INTO AND AROUND THE MONUMENT. AS I ORBITED MY FLT OUTSIDE THE PUBLISHED AIRSPACE OF THE MONUMENT, I OBSERVED THAT THE HELICOPTERS ALSO MANEUVERED IN THE VALLEYS TO THE E AND N OF MOUNT RUSHMORE. FROM MY VANTAGE POINT ABOVE AND OUTSIDE OF THE MOUNT RUSHMORE AIRSPACE I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS AND OBSERVATIONS: 1) AERIAL TFC IN THE MOUNT RUSHMORE AREA CAN, AT TIMES, BE CONGESTED. 2) TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE IS NO PUBLISHED COMMON RADIO FREQ THAT TFC CAN USE TO COORDINATE SEPARATION. I FEEL IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO AT LEAST PUBLISH, IN AN EASY TO ACCESS LOCATION (EG: SECTIONAL CHART) A COMMON FREQ FOR ALL VFR ACFT TO USE TO COORDINATE SEPARATION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: PLT WAS LEAD PLT OF THREE CHINESE BUILT YAK-18'S. THE LARGE NUMBER OF HELICOPTERS OPERATING IN THE AREA CONCERNED HIM. THE PARK SVC HAS A LNDG PAD FOR THE HELICOPTERS. PLT SAID IT WAS APPARENT THE HELICOPTERS WERE TALKING TO EACH OTHER. THE PLT WAS UNABLE TO FIND A COMMON COM FREQ.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.