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Attributes | |
ACN | 450244 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : pxn.vortac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : pxn. pxn2 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : pnx.pnx3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 14000 |
ASRS Report | 450244 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were descending on the panoche 2 arrival from san to oak. Center handed us off to approach control (134.5). Bay approach gave us a descent to 7000 ft. I noticed on the TCASII that we had a target approaching us from 1 O'clock that appeared to be at 7000 ft. I told the first officer (PF) to shallow his rate of descent. We visually acquired the air carrier Y B727 belly up to us in a turn. We stopped the descent about 500 ft above him to ensure he could slide under us if necessary. Approach control then called out the traffic, we acknowledged traffic in sight, and were told to maintain visual separation. Approach then descended the air carrier Y to 6000 ft. Approach then proceeded to give us paralleling vectors to oak runway 29 that never produced much lateral separation. We began to slow. Approach cleared us visual approach behind the air carrier Y B727. We immediately put the gear and full flaps down as we were about 2000 ft higher than normal and almost on top of the air carrier Y laterally. This created a ground speed difference and lateral separation. At this point a new voice gave us a 90 degree turn off course for separation and then turned us back for the approach. We did our best to comply with all the controller's instructions. I usually keep the TCASII on 10 mi range in the terminal area on the ivsi and 20 mi range on the radar. This allowed us to spot the conflict before a TA or RA was produced and to adjust our flight path accordingly. A TA did show up at the B727 closest point of approach. By this time we were easily maintaining visual separation. I love TCASII.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A B737-300 INSTRUCTED THE FO TO SLOW DSCNT FOR A TCASII TARGET THAT WAS INDICATED IN CLOSE PROX TO THEIR FLT PATH ON A STAR ARR. THE TARGET WAS SUBSEQUENTLY SIGHTED, AND A TA ISSUED, OF A B727 ON THE SAME ARR.
Narrative: WE WERE DSNDING ON THE PANOCHE 2 ARR FROM SAN TO OAK. CTR HANDED US OFF TO APCH CTL (134.5). BAY APCH GAVE US A DSCNT TO 7000 FT. I NOTICED ON THE TCASII THAT WE HAD A TARGET APCHING US FROM 1 O'CLOCK THAT APPEARED TO BE AT 7000 FT. I TOLD THE FO (PF) TO SHALLOW HIS RATE OF DSCNT. WE VISUALLY ACQUIRED THE ACR Y B727 BELLY UP TO US IN A TURN. WE STOPPED THE DSCNT ABOUT 500 FT ABOVE HIM TO ENSURE HE COULD SLIDE UNDER US IF NECESSARY. APCH CTL THEN CALLED OUT THE TFC, WE ACKNOWLEDGED TFC IN SIGHT, AND WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION. APCH THEN DSNDED THE ACR Y TO 6000 FT. APCH THEN PROCEEDED TO GIVE US PARALLELING VECTORS TO OAK RWY 29 THAT NEVER PRODUCED MUCH LATERAL SEPARATION. WE BEGAN TO SLOW. APCH CLRED US VISUAL APCH BEHIND THE ACR Y B727. WE IMMEDIATELY PUT THE GEAR AND FULL FLAPS DOWN AS WE WERE ABOUT 2000 FT HIGHER THAN NORMAL AND ALMOST ON TOP OF THE ACR Y LATERALLY. THIS CREATED A GND SPD DIFFERENCE AND LATERAL SEPARATION. AT THIS POINT A NEW VOICE GAVE US A 90 DEG TURN OFF COURSE FOR SEPARATION AND THEN TURNED US BACK FOR THE APCH. WE DID OUR BEST TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE CTLR'S INSTRUCTIONS. I USUALLY KEEP THE TCASII ON 10 MI RANGE IN THE TERMINAL AREA ON THE IVSI AND 20 MI RANGE ON THE RADAR. THIS ALLOWED US TO SPOT THE CONFLICT BEFORE A TA OR RA WAS PRODUCED AND TO ADJUST OUR FLT PATH ACCORDINGLY. A TA DID SHOW UP AT THE B727 CLOSEST POINT OF APCH. BY THIS TIME WE WERE EASILY MAINTAINING VISUAL SEPARATION. I LOVE TCASII.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.