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A westwind flight crew flying the baset 1 arrival was queried after handoff if they had been given the civet 4 to lax.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 450450 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199909 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | IAI1124/1124A/Westwind |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival star : baset 1 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 6025 flight time type : 750 |
| ASRS Report | 450450 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
While flying the baset 1 arrival into lax, we were issued a clearance to descend and maintain 10000 ft, cross civet at 10000 ft, and cleared for the ILS runway 25L at fuelr. When we contacted the next controller, we were queried as to why we were not at 8000 ft as depicted on the chart. We informed him that we were given 10000 ft and cleared for the approach at fuelr. He asked 'weren't you given direct arnes?' we stated that we weren't and searched the baset 1 arrival for the fix. It was found on the civet 4 arrival which we were never given. We told him that we were never issued any other arrival than the one in our original clearance (baset 1). He came back and said that he would 'chastise' the guys about it. The ILS runway 25L chart depicts crossing fuelr at or above 8000 ft, so I don't think we violated any airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A WESTWIND FLC FLYING THE BASET 1 ARR WAS QUERIED AFTER HDOF IF THEY HAD BEEN GIVEN THE CIVET 4 TO LAX.
Narrative: WHILE FLYING THE BASET 1 ARR INTO LAX, WE WERE ISSUED A CLRNC TO DSND AND MAINTAIN 10000 FT, CROSS CIVET AT 10000 FT, AND CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 25L AT FUELR. WHEN WE CONTACTED THE NEXT CTLR, WE WERE QUERIED AS TO WHY WE WERE NOT AT 8000 FT AS DEPICTED ON THE CHART. WE INFORMED HIM THAT WE WERE GIVEN 10000 FT AND CLRED FOR THE APCH AT FUELR. HE ASKED 'WEREN'T YOU GIVEN DIRECT ARNES?' WE STATED THAT WE WEREN'T AND SEARCHED THE BASET 1 ARR FOR THE FIX. IT WAS FOUND ON THE CIVET 4 ARR WHICH WE WERE NEVER GIVEN. WE TOLD HIM THAT WE WERE NEVER ISSUED ANY OTHER ARR THAN THE ONE IN OUR ORIGINAL CLRNC (BASET 1). HE CAME BACK AND SAID THAT HE WOULD 'CHASTISE' THE GUYS ABOUT IT. THE ILS RWY 25L CHART DEPICTS XING FUELR AT OR ABOVE 8000 FT, SO I DON'T THINK WE VIOLATED ANY AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.