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Attributes | |
ACN | 450778 |
Time | |
Date | 199910 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 18r other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 450778 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : wake turbulence non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : conflict alert atc equipment other atc equipment : 931 aircraft equipment : tcas aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : 930 other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : + |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Facility ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
12 mi final on runway 18R, dfw approach. Before turning final, we spotted inbound traffic ahead at same altitude. I queried to see if that traffic was a heavy jet. Response was it was a B757. Noting spacing to be only 3 mi, I became concerned. After turning final, we flew into the wake turbulence. Ordered first officer to slow to approach speed and tried to communicate to approach that we were doing so. After several attempts to get a radio call in, I was successful telling approach we had slowed below the assigned speed. Approach immediately broke us out. What concerns me about this event is that approach control is still considering B757's as not requiring more spacing. I disagree and would like to see this changed before someone goes upside down on final. On the ground I can control my spacing from departing B757's, but while airborne I have no control. Lastly, there is too much communication traffic on approach frequencys for timely xmissions of anything other than normal communication.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: S80 FLC VECTORED WITHOUT PROPER SEPARATION AT DFW IS VECTORED OFF THE APCH AFTER CREW SLOWS FOR SAFETY WHILE ENCOUNTERING WAKE TURB.
Narrative: 12 MI FINAL ON RWY 18R, DFW APCH. BEFORE TURNING FINAL, WE SPOTTED INBOUND TFC AHEAD AT SAME ALT. I QUERIED TO SEE IF THAT TFC WAS A HVY JET. RESPONSE WAS IT WAS A B757. NOTING SPACING TO BE ONLY 3 MI, I BECAME CONCERNED. AFTER TURNING FINAL, WE FLEW INTO THE WAKE TURB. ORDERED FO TO SLOW TO APCH SPD AND TRIED TO COMMUNICATE TO APCH THAT WE WERE DOING SO. AFTER SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO GET A RADIO CALL IN, I WAS SUCCESSFUL TELLING APCH WE HAD SLOWED BELOW THE ASSIGNED SPD. APCH IMMEDIATELY BROKE US OUT. WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS EVENT IS THAT APCH CTL IS STILL CONSIDERING B757'S AS NOT REQUIRING MORE SPACING. I DISAGREE AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS CHANGED BEFORE SOMEONE GOES UPSIDE DOWN ON FINAL. ON THE GND I CAN CTL MY SPACING FROM DEPARTING B757'S, BUT WHILE AIRBORNE I HAVE NO CTL. LASTLY, THERE IS TOO MUCH COM TFC ON APCH FREQS FOR TIMELY XMISSIONS OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN NORMAL COM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.