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A C172 CFI finds out, after providing in-flight spin training to a very large CFI applicant, that the aircraft was out of weight and balance limits for the front seat occupants near 2b2, ma.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 450848 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199909 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : 2b2.airport |
| State Reference | MA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 5500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw.artcc |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : descent cruise : enroute altitude change other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 2600 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 450848 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I checked out a CFI applicant in spin training as a favor for another CFI. The student looked rather heavy but we were using a C172 with low fuel and I was sure we would be ok. The lesson was exciting but uneventful. After the flight, I did a weight and balance and found that while we were on the utility category we were out of the envelope for the front seat. Cause: when asked to check out the student CFI there were several other people present. Peer pressure, ego, and not wanting to embarrass the student overcame my common sense. Prevention: if there is any doubt, do a weight and balance first.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C172 CFI FINDS OUT, AFTER PROVIDING INFLT SPIN TRAINING TO A VERY LARGE CFI APPLICANT, THAT THE ACFT WAS OUT OF WT AND BAL LIMITS FOR THE FRONT SEAT OCCUPANTS NEAR 2B2, MA.
Narrative: I CHKED OUT A CFI APPLICANT IN SPIN TRAINING AS A FAVOR FOR ANOTHER CFI. THE STUDENT LOOKED RATHER HVY BUT WE WERE USING A C172 WITH LOW FUEL AND I WAS SURE WE WOULD BE OK. THE LESSON WAS EXCITING BUT UNEVENTFUL. AFTER THE FLT, I DID A WT AND BAL AND FOUND THAT WHILE WE WERE ON THE UTILITY CATEGORY WE WERE OUT OF THE ENVELOPE FOR THE FRONT SEAT. CAUSE: WHEN ASKED TO CHK OUT THE STUDENT CFI THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE PRESENT. PEER PRESSURE, EGO, AND NOT WANTING TO EMBARRASS THE STUDENT OVERCAME MY COMMON SENSE. PREVENTION: IF THERE IS ANY DOUBT, DO A WT AND BAL FIRST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.