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Attributes | |
ACN | 451292 |
Time | |
Date | 199910 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : fll.vor |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 451292 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On descent into fll, we were given clearance to cross mrlin at 7000 ft. Approximately 15 mi from the restr, the FMC began to show a trend that the aircraft was getting behind in the descent to make the crossing restr. At this point, I (the PNF) made a quick standard '3 to 1' calculation and confirmed that we were getting behind and instructed the first officer to steepen our descent. Approximately 10 mi from the fix, it became clear to me that making the restr at mrlin was questionable and I informed ATC that we would be unable to make the restr and if they would like us to turn. ATC (mia approach) responded 'no problem, maintain 7000 ft.' this new clearance effectively relieved us of the altitude restr. Fortunately, there was no conflict with other traffic. As it turned out, we would have missed the restr by approximately 2 mi. While the FMC does an excellent job most of the time in making planned dscnts, occasionally it can lag behind due to wind or other variables. Using the '3 to 1' computation as a backup is a must in these rare circumstances. Fortunately we were able to determine how far behind in the planned descent we were and could advise ATC and they could issue another clearance to accommodate our situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 FLC RECOGNIZED THE FMS WOULD BE UNABLE TO MEET A XING RESTR AND ADVISED APCH CTL. THE RESTR WAS REMOVED.
Narrative: ON DSCNT INTO FLL, WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO CROSS MRLIN AT 7000 FT. APPROX 15 MI FROM THE RESTR, THE FMC BEGAN TO SHOW A TREND THAT THE ACFT WAS GETTING BEHIND IN THE DSCNT TO MAKE THE XING RESTR. AT THIS POINT, I (THE PNF) MADE A QUICK STANDARD '3 TO 1' CALCULATION AND CONFIRMED THAT WE WERE GETTING BEHIND AND INSTRUCTED THE FO TO STEEPEN OUR DSCNT. APPROX 10 MI FROM THE FIX, IT BECAME CLR TO ME THAT MAKING THE RESTR AT MRLIN WAS QUESTIONABLE AND I INFORMED ATC THAT WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO MAKE THE RESTR AND IF THEY WOULD LIKE US TO TURN. ATC (MIA APCH) RESPONDED 'NO PROB, MAINTAIN 7000 FT.' THIS NEW CLRNC EFFECTIVELY RELIEVED US OF THE ALT RESTR. FORTUNATELY, THERE WAS NO CONFLICT WITH OTHER TFC. AS IT TURNED OUT, WE WOULD HAVE MISSED THE RESTR BY APPROX 2 MI. WHILE THE FMC DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB MOST OF THE TIME IN MAKING PLANNED DSCNTS, OCCASIONALLY IT CAN LAG BEHIND DUE TO WIND OR OTHER VARIABLES. USING THE '3 TO 1' COMPUTATION AS A BACKUP IS A MUST IN THESE RARE CIRCUMSTANCES. FORTUNATELY WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE HOW FAR BEHIND IN THE PLANNED DSCNT WE WERE AND COULD ADVISE ATC AND THEY COULD ISSUE ANOTHER CLRNC TO ACCOMMODATE OUR SIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.