B757 crew had pushback clearance confusion with ground control at san.

Attributes
ACN	453584
Time
Date	199910
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : san.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : pushback
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	453584
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine
ASRS Report	453585
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Airport Chart Or Publication Company
Primary Problem	Company

Narrative:

Pushback clearance at san. Requested push clearance as per company page 10-X, from gate ab in san diego. ATC informed us that they didn't control the ramp and that the push was at our discretion. Upon completion of the push, which can only be done by pushing onto taxiway B, ground control said that we required permission to push onto taxiway B. We had already asked for his permission to push as previously stated. No mention of this procedure is made on the company page. Ground control said that push crews have been briefed on the procedure, but no mention was made to us regarding this requirement by the ground crew. If this procedure were written on the airport page as it is in miami it would have not been a problem. If we don't know about it, we can't comply with it. Also, ATC dropped the ball by not recognizing the fact that we stated that we were requesting a push from a gate that required us to be positioned onto taxiway B. Crews are advised by the company page to call ground before the push, there is no requirement stated to get clearance onto a taxiway.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B757 CREW HAD PUSHBACK CLRNC CONFUSION WITH GND CTL AT SAN.

Narrative: PUSHBACK CLRNC AT SAN. REQUESTED PUSH CLRNC AS PER COMPANY PAGE 10-X, FROM GATE AB IN SAN DIEGO. ATC INFORMED US THAT THEY DIDN'T CTL THE RAMP AND THAT THE PUSH WAS AT OUR DISCRETION. UPON COMPLETION OF THE PUSH, WHICH CAN ONLY BE DONE BY PUSHING ONTO TXWY B, GND CTL SAID THAT WE REQUIRED PERMISSION TO PUSH ONTO TXWY B. WE HAD ALREADY ASKED FOR HIS PERMISSION TO PUSH AS PREVIOUSLY STATED. NO MENTION OF THIS PROC IS MADE ON THE COMPANY PAGE. GND CTL SAID THAT PUSH CREWS HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON THE PROC, BUT NO MENTION WAS MADE TO US REGARDING THIS REQUIREMENT BY THE GND CREW. IF THIS PROC WERE WRITTEN ON THE ARPT PAGE AS IT IS IN MIAMI IT WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN A PROB. IF WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, WE CAN'T COMPLY WITH IT. ALSO, ATC DROPPED THE BALL BY NOT RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT WE STATED THAT WE WERE REQUESTING A PUSH FROM A GATE THAT REQUIRED US TO BE POSITIONED ONTO TXWY B. CREWS ARE ADVISED BY THE COMPANY PAGE TO CALL GND BEFORE THE PUSH, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT STATED TO GET CLRNC ONTO A TXWY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.