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Attributes | |
ACN | 453612 |
Time | |
Date | 199910 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : fdy.vortac |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Route In Use | enroute airway : v279.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 453612 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We (X) were given a descent from FL190 to 10000 ft and told to maintain 2500 FPM through 11000 ft. We complied with the rate, however, passing 14000 ft we got a TCASII TA for traffic (Y) inside of 2 mi and ahead of us. (He was at 12000 ft.) ATC did not warn us of the traffic or of any impending conflict. I called center and told them that this descent was not going to work and if we continued to 10000 ft we were going to get an RA. I thought it unnecessary, if not dangerous. I told them we were stopping our descent at 13000 ft to allow the aircraft to pass. Center said the aircraft was passing off our left and we continued the descent to 10000 ft. Again after the partial clearance, center was of little help. In fact, the clearance is what caused the problem. I do not see the need for this type of controling.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A319 PIC STOPS DSCNT WHEN OBSERVING TFC PASSING BELOW AND AWAY FROM INTENDED FLT PATH.
Narrative: WE (X) WERE GIVEN A DSCNT FROM FL190 TO 10000 FT AND TOLD TO MAINTAIN 2500 FPM THROUGH 11000 FT. WE COMPLIED WITH THE RATE, HOWEVER, PASSING 14000 FT WE GOT A TCASII TA FOR TFC (Y) INSIDE OF 2 MI AND AHEAD OF US. (HE WAS AT 12000 FT.) ATC DID NOT WARN US OF THE TFC OR OF ANY IMPENDING CONFLICT. I CALLED CTR AND TOLD THEM THAT THIS DSCNT WAS NOT GOING TO WORK AND IF WE CONTINUED TO 10000 FT WE WERE GOING TO GET AN RA. I THOUGHT IT UNNECESSARY, IF NOT DANGEROUS. I TOLD THEM WE WERE STOPPING OUR DSCNT AT 13000 FT TO ALLOW THE ACFT TO PASS. CTR SAID THE ACFT WAS PASSING OFF OUR L AND WE CONTINUED THE DSCNT TO 10000 FT. AGAIN AFTER THE PARTIAL CLRNC, CTR WAS OF LITTLE HELP. IN FACT, THE CLRNC IS WHAT CAUSED THE PROB. I DO NOT SEE THE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF CTLING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.