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Attributes | |
ACN | 453810 |
Time | |
Date | 199910 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 25l / 24r other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : civet 4 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer pilot : private pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 20100 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 453810 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to original clearance flight crew : became reoriented |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared on J-64 to 'civet' thence on the civet 4 to lax. Approaching civet, approach control pointed out traffic and had us hold heading. We were then cleared to turn back to civet and cleared via civet 4 arrival to runway 25L at lax. My copilot was 3 months new, having flown only single seat military, had never flown copilot for anyone and was having a tough time overall (retired military). I slowed to help him catch-up as he was struggling. Numerous TA's (2 TA's) and several speed adjustments from ATC occurred. When switched to the next controller we were reclred via mitts 1 arrival to runway 24R. I had briefed the civet 4 to runway 25L, and requested my copilot pull out the mitts arrival 'coach' me through the appropriate restrs and retune the radios to the ILS runway 24R. He supposedly did this. Approach stated we appeared south of the runway 24R localizer, I checked my instruments and showed on centerline. My copilot transmitted 'we show centerline for runway 25R.' both the controller and I simultaneously reasserted we should be on runway 24R, the copilot had mistuned the radios in his haste. I don't think due to his total lack of copilot experience and total unfamiliarity with lax he even realized there was a runway 24R. Subsequent approach and landing were uneventful. I was too busy to notice this error as the frequency and multi-changes by ATC was chaotic. The frequency was busy too -- too much 'stand by on the readback' by the controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 CREW MISTUNES RADIOS DURING A CLOSE IN RWY CHANGE AT LAX.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED ON J-64 TO 'CIVET' THENCE ON THE CIVET 4 TO LAX. APCHING CIVET, APCH CTL POINTED OUT TFC AND HAD US HOLD HEADING. WE WERE THEN CLRED TO TURN BACK TO CIVET AND CLRED VIA CIVET 4 ARR TO RWY 25L AT LAX. MY COPLT WAS 3 MONTHS NEW, HAVING FLOWN ONLY SINGLE SEAT MIL, HAD NEVER FLOWN COPLT FOR ANYONE AND WAS HAVING A TOUGH TIME OVERALL (RETIRED MIL). I SLOWED TO HELP HIM CATCH-UP AS HE WAS STRUGGLING. NUMEROUS TA'S (2 TA'S) AND SEVERAL SPD ADJUSTMENTS FROM ATC OCCURRED. WHEN SWITCHED TO THE NEXT CTLR WE WERE RECLRED VIA MITTS 1 ARR TO RWY 24R. I HAD BRIEFED THE CIVET 4 TO RWY 25L, AND REQUESTED MY COPLT PULL OUT THE MITTS ARR 'COACH' ME THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE RESTRS AND RETUNE THE RADIOS TO THE ILS RWY 24R. HE SUPPOSEDLY DID THIS. APCH STATED WE APPEARED S OF THE RWY 24R LOC, I CHKED MY INSTS AND SHOWED ON CTRLINE. MY COPLT XMITTED 'WE SHOW CTRLINE FOR RWY 25R.' BOTH THE CTLR AND I SIMULTANEOUSLY REASSERTED WE SHOULD BE ON RWY 24R, THE COPLT HAD MISTUNED THE RADIOS IN HIS HASTE. I DON'T THINK DUE TO HIS TOTAL LACK OF COPLT EXPERIENCE AND TOTAL UNFAMILIARITY WITH LAX HE EVEN REALIZED THERE WAS A RWY 24R. SUBSEQUENT APCH AND LNDG WERE UNEVENTFUL. I WAS TOO BUSY TO NOTICE THIS ERROR AS THE FREQ AND MULTI-CHANGES BY ATC WAS CHAOTIC. THE FREQ WAS BUSY TOO -- TOO MUCH 'STAND BY ON THE READBACK' BY THE CTLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.