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Attributes | |
ACN | 454198 |
Time | |
Date | 199910 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : ott.vor |
State Reference | MD |
Altitude | msl single value : 25000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : metro4 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 454198 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were on the STAR to morristown, nj. Washington approach was very busy and I asked to start down as my instruments were already indicating 2000 FPM descent. Center started us down then gave us over to another approach control frequency. This approach controller was very busy and in a bad mood. He gave us a descent on the STAR, which would require 270 KTS and 4000 FPM. I told him I would not be able to make my crossing restr. I was doing 3500 FPM, which was all I could do and maintain 270 KTS. He then gave me another crossing restr of 270 KTS to cross and this would have required 5500 FPM. I told him I would not be able to make this crossing restr. He said I had not been able to make a crossing restr all night. I explained I could not do 5500 FPM and 270 KTS. My plane cannot do that many ft per min and maintain an airspeed or passenger comfort. I feel the controller was way behind in his duties. He should have started us on the descent much sooner allowing us to be able to get down at a certain airspeed. 4000-5500 ft I feel is unacceptable unless there is an emergency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A CPR JET INFORMED ARTCC CTLR THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE XING RESTR DURING STAR APCH DUE TO THE HIGH RATE OF DSCNT REQUIRED TO MAKE THE RESTR. THE CTLR WAS UNHAPPY WITH THE RPTR AND GAVE ANOTHER RESTR THAT REQUIRED EVEN A HIGHER RATE.
Narrative: WE WERE ON THE STAR TO MORRISTOWN, NJ. WASHINGTON APCH WAS VERY BUSY AND I ASKED TO START DOWN AS MY INSTS WERE ALREADY INDICATING 2000 FPM DSCNT. CTR STARTED US DOWN THEN GAVE US OVER TO ANOTHER APCH CTL FREQ. THIS APCH CTLR WAS VERY BUSY AND IN A BAD MOOD. HE GAVE US A DSCNT ON THE STAR, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE 270 KTS AND 4000 FPM. I TOLD HIM I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE MY XING RESTR. I WAS DOING 3500 FPM, WHICH WAS ALL I COULD DO AND MAINTAIN 270 KTS. HE THEN GAVE ME ANOTHER XING RESTR OF 270 KTS TO CROSS AND THIS WOULD HAVE REQUIRED 5500 FPM. I TOLD HIM I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS XING RESTR. HE SAID I HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE A XING RESTR ALL NIGHT. I EXPLAINED I COULD NOT DO 5500 FPM AND 270 KTS. MY PLANE CANNOT DO THAT MANY FT PER MIN AND MAINTAIN AN AIRSPD OR PAX COMFORT. I FEEL THE CTLR WAS WAY BEHIND IN HIS DUTIES. HE SHOULD HAVE STARTED US ON THE DSCNT MUCH SOONER ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO GET DOWN AT A CERTAIN AIRSPD. 4000-5500 FT I FEEL IS UNACCEPTABLE UNLESS THERE IS AN EMER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.