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Attributes | |
ACN | 454460 |
Time | |
Date | 199911 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : bos.vortac |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 300 msl bound upper : 400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bos.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 126 flight time total : 3325 flight time type : 126 |
ASRS Report | 454460 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 8500 |
ASRS Report | 454457 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other other : 5 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During approach (ILS runway 33) to bos, tower requested that we land on runway 27. Since we were 5 NM from the field and approximately 1500 ft, the captain and I felt the landing could be safely made. We responded that we could land on runway 27 and tower granted landing clearance. The ILS frequency for runway 27 was set to assist in the visual approach to runway 27. The approach was not rushed and looked similar to the washington, dc, river visual runway 19 approach, in that the aircraft must be turned or in turning flight at 300-400 ft AGL to align the aircraft with runway. The landing was nice and we thought nothing more of the approach. 3 FAA personnel viewed the approach and were concerned that the aircraft was not stabilized at 500 ft. Again, the approach was like the washington, dc, river visual runway 19 approach in which you can't be stabilized at 500 ft for a visual approach. One of the FAA personnel met the captain at the jetway to discuss the approach. In this event the controllers had traffic congestion on one runway and requested we land on another runway to reduce the congestion. I know both pilots and the controller felt the request was timely and could safely be accomplished. In the end, a safe landing was accomplished but required turning flight below 500 ft, a normal procedure to dca runway 19, but not at bos airport. Pilots and controllers are performance oriented and will try to maximize or optimize each and every solution required. In this case, a 50 degree heading change had to be accomplished to land. Based on bank angle limitations and speed constraints, a calculation can easily be made, accounting for pilot reaction time, to determine the DME at which a pilot can make the heading change and be stabilized by 500 ft. Outside that DME, the request to land on a different runway can be made. Inside that DME, the controller will have to accept the situation or send the aircraft around. This would clearly eliminate aircraft not being stabilized by 500 ft while landing on a different runway than initially planned! Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the approach was reviewed by the air carrier's flight operations staff and discussed with the flight crew. The approach, as flown, was not within the air carrier's specifications.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-300 FLC COMPLIED WITH A TWR REQUESTED RWY CHANGE AND WERE MET BY FAA INSPECTORS WHO FELT THAT IT HAD BEEN AN UNSTABILIZED APCH.
Narrative: DURING APCH (ILS RWY 33) TO BOS, TWR REQUESTED THAT WE LAND ON RWY 27. SINCE WE WERE 5 NM FROM THE FIELD AND APPROX 1500 FT, THE CAPT AND I FELT THE LNDG COULD BE SAFELY MADE. WE RESPONDED THAT WE COULD LAND ON RWY 27 AND TWR GRANTED LNDG CLRNC. THE ILS FREQ FOR RWY 27 WAS SET TO ASSIST IN THE VISUAL APCH TO RWY 27. THE APCH WAS NOT RUSHED AND LOOKED SIMILAR TO THE WASHINGTON, DC, RIVER VISUAL RWY 19 APCH, IN THAT THE ACFT MUST BE TURNED OR IN TURNING FLT AT 300-400 FT AGL TO ALIGN THE ACFT WITH RWY. THE LNDG WAS NICE AND WE THOUGHT NOTHING MORE OF THE APCH. 3 FAA PERSONNEL VIEWED THE APCH AND WERE CONCERNED THAT THE ACFT WAS NOT STABILIZED AT 500 FT. AGAIN, THE APCH WAS LIKE THE WASHINGTON, DC, RIVER VISUAL RWY 19 APCH IN WHICH YOU CAN'T BE STABILIZED AT 500 FT FOR A VISUAL APCH. ONE OF THE FAA PERSONNEL MET THE CAPT AT THE JETWAY TO DISCUSS THE APCH. IN THIS EVENT THE CTLRS HAD TFC CONGESTION ON ONE RWY AND REQUESTED WE LAND ON ANOTHER RWY TO REDUCE THE CONGESTION. I KNOW BOTH PLTS AND THE CTLR FELT THE REQUEST WAS TIMELY AND COULD SAFELY BE ACCOMPLISHED. IN THE END, A SAFE LNDG WAS ACCOMPLISHED BUT REQUIRED TURNING FLT BELOW 500 FT, A NORMAL PROC TO DCA RWY 19, BUT NOT AT BOS ARPT. PLTS AND CTLRS ARE PERFORMANCE ORIENTED AND WILL TRY TO MAXIMIZE OR OPTIMIZE EACH AND EVERY SOLUTION REQUIRED. IN THIS CASE, A 50 DEG HDG CHANGE HAD TO BE ACCOMPLISHED TO LAND. BASED ON BANK ANGLE LIMITATIONS AND SPD CONSTRAINTS, A CALCULATION CAN EASILY BE MADE, ACCOUNTING FOR PLT REACTION TIME, TO DETERMINE THE DME AT WHICH A PLT CAN MAKE THE HDG CHANGE AND BE STABILIZED BY 500 FT. OUTSIDE THAT DME, THE REQUEST TO LAND ON A DIFFERENT RWY CAN BE MADE. INSIDE THAT DME, THE CTLR WILL HAVE TO ACCEPT THE SIT OR SEND THE ACFT AROUND. THIS WOULD CLRLY ELIMINATE ACFT NOT BEING STABILIZED BY 500 FT WHILE LNDG ON A DIFFERENT RWY THAN INITIALLY PLANNED! CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE APCH WAS REVIEWED BY THE ACR'S FLT OPS STAFF AND DISCUSSED WITH THE FLC. THE APCH, AS FLOWN, WAS NOT WITHIN THE ACR'S SPECS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.