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Attributes | |
ACN | 454599 |
Time | |
Date | 199911 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl single value : 7200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mci.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mci.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 454599 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : wake turbulence |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
During climb out from mci to south, we were given a 7000 ft altitude restr and a heading of 220 degrees to join the racer 3 departure. ATC pointed out traffic at 7500 ft ahead of us which we began looking for. ATC then asked again about that and other traffic beyond and above. At that point, the closer traffic, a C182, was clearly insight. Normally, I don't call traffic so ATC can separate and chances of misident are reduced. Gave in this time since the controller was so insistent and traffic was obvious. As part of conversation with ATC, my first officer also called higher traffic in sight. Would have rather he didn't, but it was moving away so not an issue. ATC then cleared us to 13000 ft based on visual separation. Decided to stay at 7000 ft until by the cessna. Clearly in sight as it passed off to left and above. TCASII was giving 'monitor vertical speed' RA. Spent time outside cockpit watching the traffic as it went by. While passing, saw that altitude had drifted up to 7200 ft inadvertently. Once clear of traffic, began gradual climb to 13000 ft. About 3 mi later, 190 degree radial of racer 3 began to come in, so began left turn to join. Only later did I consider what I had done. While I was no longer worried about the C182's proximity, I should have been worried about the wake turbulence. By making the left turn, I left that cessna nowhere to go to avoid it. Even though what occurred may not have been illegal, it certainly was poor judgement and inconsiderate on my part. In my experience, nothing has come up just like this. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Please pass this on so others may learn from my mistake.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DC9 FLC REALIZED THEY MAY HAVE CAUSED A C182 TO FLY INTO THEIR WAKE ON CLB NEAR MKC.
Narrative: DURING CLBOUT FROM MCI TO S, WE WERE GIVEN A 7000 FT ALT RESTR AND A HDG OF 220 DEGS TO JOIN THE RACER 3 DEP. ATC POINTED OUT TFC AT 7500 FT AHEAD OF US WHICH WE BEGAN LOOKING FOR. ATC THEN ASKED AGAIN ABOUT THAT AND OTHER TFC BEYOND AND ABOVE. AT THAT POINT, THE CLOSER TFC, A C182, WAS CLRLY INSIGHT. NORMALLY, I DON'T CALL TFC SO ATC CAN SEPARATE AND CHANCES OF MISIDENT ARE REDUCED. GAVE IN THIS TIME SINCE THE CTLR WAS SO INSISTENT AND TFC WAS OBVIOUS. AS PART OF CONVERSATION WITH ATC, MY FO ALSO CALLED HIGHER TFC IN SIGHT. WOULD HAVE RATHER HE DIDN'T, BUT IT WAS MOVING AWAY SO NOT AN ISSUE. ATC THEN CLRED US TO 13000 FT BASED ON VISUAL SEPARATION. DECIDED TO STAY AT 7000 FT UNTIL BY THE CESSNA. CLRLY IN SIGHT AS IT PASSED OFF TO L AND ABOVE. TCASII WAS GIVING 'MONITOR VERT SPD' RA. SPENT TIME OUTSIDE COCKPIT WATCHING THE TFC AS IT WENT BY. WHILE PASSING, SAW THAT ALT HAD DRIFTED UP TO 7200 FT INADVERTENTLY. ONCE CLR OF TFC, BEGAN GRADUAL CLB TO 13000 FT. ABOUT 3 MI LATER, 190 DEG RADIAL OF RACER 3 BEGAN TO COME IN, SO BEGAN L TURN TO JOIN. ONLY LATER DID I CONSIDER WHAT I HAD DONE. WHILE I WAS NO LONGER WORRIED ABOUT THE C182'S PROX, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORRIED ABOUT THE WAKE TURB. BY MAKING THE L TURN, I LEFT THAT CESSNA NOWHERE TO GO TO AVOID IT. EVEN THOUGH WHAT OCCURRED MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL, IT CERTAINLY WAS POOR JUDGEMENT AND INCONSIDERATE ON MY PART. IN MY EXPERIENCE, NOTHING HAS COME UP JUST LIKE THIS. I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. PLEASE PASS THIS ON SO OTHERS MAY LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.