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Attributes | |
ACN | 454913 |
Time | |
Date | 199911 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 454913 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company FAA |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
I already filled out a report on this subject, but now want to get it in the ASRS system. I just started a trip with a merged pilot that xferred to ord. This was the first time he has ever been in our air carrier a cockpit. He received no IOE or even observation of our operations. When I signed in for the trip, it showed him as having 18 lndgs and 180 hours, so I assumed that it was a new hire that had been on the panel. When I got to the aircraft, he informed me that this was his first air carrier a flight. I was appalled that there was no IOE for these pilots. He was an air carrier B captain and now is my copilot with only 1 simulator session that was split with another pilot that spent the bulk of the time doing CAT III work. He had no clue as to ACARS, gfms, or how the normal checklists were run. This is an incredible disservice to the air carrier B pilots and our capts -- at least my new hire coplts can point to an ACARS 2 out of 3 times. I am very concerned for the safety of our operation if you get an air carrier B pilot with a bad attitude combined with a captain with an attitude or not very strong and flts could get very dangerous. I was fortunate that my copilot had done lots of extra work for the transition and had a great attitude. These transitioning pilots -- especially when changing seats -- need an IOE to get used to our procedures. If that can't be done, then let them jump seat with a normal crew to observe our operations. We make our new hire coplts ride 4 legs in the jump seat. What happens when there is a problem or emergency and the WX is bad.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CAPT IS CONCERNED WITH CREW QUALIFICATIONS OF PERSONNEL OF A RECENTLY MERGED ACR.
Narrative: I ALREADY FILLED OUT A RPT ON THIS SUBJECT, BUT NOW WANT TO GET IT IN THE ASRS SYS. I JUST STARTED A TRIP WITH A MERGED PLT THAT XFERRED TO ORD. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME HE HAS EVER BEEN IN OUR ACR A COCKPIT. HE RECEIVED NO IOE OR EVEN OBSERVATION OF OUR OPS. WHEN I SIGNED IN FOR THE TRIP, IT SHOWED HIM AS HAVING 18 LNDGS AND 180 HRS, SO I ASSUMED THAT IT WAS A NEW HIRE THAT HAD BEEN ON THE PANEL. WHEN I GOT TO THE ACFT, HE INFORMED ME THAT THIS WAS HIS FIRST ACR A FLT. I WAS APPALLED THAT THERE WAS NO IOE FOR THESE PLTS. HE WAS AN ACR B CAPT AND NOW IS MY COPLT WITH ONLY 1 SIMULATOR SESSION THAT WAS SPLIT WITH ANOTHER PLT THAT SPENT THE BULK OF THE TIME DOING CAT III WORK. HE HAD NO CLUE AS TO ACARS, GFMS, OR HOW THE NORMAL CHKLISTS WERE RUN. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE DISSERVICE TO THE ACR B PLTS AND OUR CAPTS -- AT LEAST MY NEW HIRE COPLTS CAN POINT TO AN ACARS 2 OUT OF 3 TIMES. I AM VERY CONCERNED FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR OP IF YOU GET AN ACR B PLT WITH A BAD ATTITUDE COMBINED WITH A CAPT WITH AN ATTITUDE OR NOT VERY STRONG AND FLTS COULD GET VERY DANGEROUS. I WAS FORTUNATE THAT MY COPLT HAD DONE LOTS OF EXTRA WORK FOR THE TRANSITION AND HAD A GREAT ATTITUDE. THESE TRANSITIONING PLTS -- ESPECIALLY WHEN CHANGING SEATS -- NEED AN IOE TO GET USED TO OUR PROCS. IF THAT CAN'T BE DONE, THEN LET THEM JUMP SEAT WITH A NORMAL CREW TO OBSERVE OUR OPS. WE MAKE OUR NEW HIRE COPLTS RIDE 4 LEGS IN THE JUMP SEAT. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS A PROB OR EMER AND THE WX IS BAD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.