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Captain of a B757 complaint of tower ground controller attitude in replying to him and other aircraft flight crew.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 459220 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200001 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cvg.airport |
| State Reference | KY |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : mco.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 95 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 95 |
| ASRS Report | 459220 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Upon initial contact with ground control, we were notified (for the first time, not on pre departure clearance) of a wheels-up time to jfk. Given taxi clearance to alternate departure side of runway 27. After wheels-up time passed and tower continued to clear other aircraft into position and for takeoff, asked about our wheels-up time. He snapped back that wheels-up was an 'at or after clearance.' when another aircraft asked about its sequence, he snapped back at them some vague, meaningless answer. Don't know if he was at end of shift or end of rope or both.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A B757 COMPLAINT OF TWR GND CTLR ATTITUDE IN REPLYING TO HIM AND OTHER ACFT FLC.
Narrative: UPON INITIAL CONTACT WITH GND CTL, WE WERE NOTIFIED (FOR THE FIRST TIME, NOT ON PDC) OF A WHEELS-UP TIME TO JFK. GIVEN TAXI CLRNC TO ALTERNATE DEP SIDE OF RWY 27. AFTER WHEELS-UP TIME PASSED AND TWR CONTINUED TO CLR OTHER ACFT INTO POS AND FOR TKOF, ASKED ABOUT OUR WHEELS-UP TIME. HE SNAPPED BACK THAT WHEELS-UP WAS AN 'AT OR AFTER CLRNC.' WHEN ANOTHER ACFT ASKED ABOUT ITS SEQUENCE, HE SNAPPED BACK AT THEM SOME VAGUE, MEANINGLESS ANSWER. DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS AT END OF SHIFT OR END OF ROPE OR BOTH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.