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A B767 PIC report on a delayed approach clearance from sct controller while runway 25R was closed due to an aircraft incident at lax, ca.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 459693 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200001 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : pdz.vor |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 10500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : bos.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 25l other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : pdz 3 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 100 |
| ASRS Report | 459693 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Pdz.PDZ3 arrival for lax is a STAR that feeds all 4 runways. Had been cleared on STAR and to descend per profile. Approaching arnes (our clearance limit not having been assigned a runway), first officer asked controller if we were cleared for approach. He said no, and to follow STAR. First officer led him on next transmission by asking, 'do you mean to fuelr and suzzi (for runway 25L)?' controller said yes, and issued altitude crossing restrs for intersection. Realized that operations were hectic due to a B757 that had shut down runway 25R, but we needed clearance that would have prevented an overshoot. Certain controller would have violated us if we automatically assumed runway 25L and he had intended to send us to runway 24R.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767 PIC RPT ON A DELAYED APCH CLRNC FROM SCT CTLR WHILE RWY 25R WAS CLOSED DUE TO AN ACFT INCIDENT AT LAX, CA.
Narrative: PDZ.PDZ3 ARR FOR LAX IS A STAR THAT FEEDS ALL 4 RWYS. HAD BEEN CLRED ON STAR AND TO DSND PER PROFILE. APCHING ARNES (OUR CLRNC LIMIT NOT HAVING BEEN ASSIGNED A RWY), FO ASKED CTLR IF WE WERE CLRED FOR APCH. HE SAID NO, AND TO FOLLOW STAR. FO LED HIM ON NEXT XMISSION BY ASKING, 'DO YOU MEAN TO FUELR AND SUZZI (FOR RWY 25L)?' CTLR SAID YES, AND ISSUED ALT XING RESTRS FOR INTXN. REALIZED THAT OPS WERE HECTIC DUE TO A B757 THAT HAD SHUT DOWN RWY 25R, BUT WE NEEDED CLRNC THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED AN OVERSHOOT. CERTAIN CTLR WOULD HAVE VIOLATED US IF WE AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED RWY 25L AND HE HAD INTENDED TO SEND US TO RWY 24R.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.