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B757 crew did not comply with the published crossing altitude on the pdz 3 into lax.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 460697 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200001 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 17000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : pdz 3 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 27000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 460697 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 18500 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 460700 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to original clearance none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Aircraft ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Aircraft |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : sct.tracon |
| Airport | procedure or policy : lax.airport |
Narrative:
On pdz.PDZ3 arrival to lax we crossed konzl at 17000 ft. We were given a different runway. Entering new runway all waypoints were dropped and missed crossing restr at trtle intersection. By the time we re-entered pdz arrival we were past trtle intersection. Supplemental information from acn 460700: on pdz arrival into lax we crossed konzl at 17000 ft then got a runway change, frequency change. Put new runway in FMS and it dumped all the waypoints causing us to miss crossing restr of 16000 ft at trtle. Preoccupied with FMC, runway assignment change, frequency change, FMS dump simultaneously, not good CRM, and needed to have VOR back up. Lax is very demanding on STAR because ATC sometimes takes numerous STAR and runway changes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CREW DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE PUBLISHED XING ALT ON THE PDZ 3 INTO LAX.
Narrative: ON PDZ.PDZ3 ARR TO LAX WE CROSSED KONZL AT 17000 FT. WE WERE GIVEN A DIFFERENT RWY. ENTERING NEW RWY ALL WAYPOINTS WERE DROPPED AND MISSED XING RESTR AT TRTLE INTXN. BY THE TIME WE RE-ENTERED PDZ ARR WE WERE PAST TRTLE INTXN. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 460700: ON PDZ ARR INTO LAX WE CROSSED KONZL AT 17000 FT THEN GOT A RWY CHANGE, FREQ CHANGE. PUT NEW RWY IN FMS AND IT DUMPED ALL THE WAYPOINTS CAUSING US TO MISS XING RESTR OF 16000 FT AT TRTLE. PREOCCUPIED WITH FMC, RWY ASSIGNMENT CHANGE, FREQ CHANGE, FMS DUMP SIMULTANEOUSLY, NOT GOOD CRM, AND NEEDED TO HAVE VOR BACK UP. LAX IS VERY DEMANDING ON STAR BECAUSE ATC SOMETIMES TAKES NUMEROUS STAR AND RWY CHANGES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.