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Attributes | |
ACN | 461383 |
Time | |
Date | 200001 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : mitts |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : paradise 3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival star : civet 4 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
ASRS Report | 461383 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 461384 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Arriving via the paradise 3 to runway 25L. Passed tejay normally, slowing to 250 KTS and descending VNAV profile. Approaching mitts intersection and about 11000 ft, we were advised of an aircraft to our right who had us visually and would maintain separation. I 'rogered' the callout as it was dark and we did not want to maintain visual separation. I told the captain I saw the aircraft and it was not moving on my windscreen, indicating a converging vector. As we descended into the block altitude for mitts, we received a TCASII RA to descend. We began the procedure and told ATC and kept visual on the aircraft. No sooner than we got word to ATC did TCASII reverse command to a climb. By then the aircraft was so close I could tell it was an MD11 or DC10 and appeared to have cargo markings. The aircraft passed directly over us and intercepted the runway 25L final. We were at 9000 ft by this time and clearly below our altitude restrs. This visual aircraft should have maneuvered to stay well clear. ATC should have taken the other aircraft to runway 24R and left us on runway 25L, thus not needing the crossing conflict. ATC was no help. We should have declared a near miss and had the tapes marked. By the time we were clear of conflict we were so speechless and disturbed we couldn't say anything. Supplemental information from acn 461384: cleared for the pdz.PDZ3 to runway 25L. Subsequently changed to PDZ3 to runway 24R transition.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767 RPTED AN NMAC WITH AN MD11 OR DC10 WHILE ON THE PARADISE 3 ARR FOR LAX.
Narrative: ARRIVING VIA THE PARADISE 3 TO RWY 25L. PASSED TEJAY NORMALLY, SLOWING TO 250 KTS AND DSNDING VNAV PROFILE. APCHING MITTS INTXN AND ABOUT 11000 FT, WE WERE ADVISED OF AN ACFT TO OUR R WHO HAD US VISUALLY AND WOULD MAINTAIN SEPARATION. I 'ROGERED' THE CALLOUT AS IT WAS DARK AND WE DID NOT WANT TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION. I TOLD THE CAPT I SAW THE ACFT AND IT WAS NOT MOVING ON MY WINDSCREEN, INDICATING A CONVERGING VECTOR. AS WE DSNDED INTO THE BLOCK ALT FOR MITTS, WE RECEIVED A TCASII RA TO DSND. WE BEGAN THE PROC AND TOLD ATC AND KEPT VISUAL ON THE ACFT. NO SOONER THAN WE GOT WORD TO ATC DID TCASII REVERSE COMMAND TO A CLB. BY THEN THE ACFT WAS SO CLOSE I COULD TELL IT WAS AN MD11 OR DC10 AND APPEARED TO HAVE CARGO MARKINGS. THE ACFT PASSED DIRECTLY OVER US AND INTERCEPTED THE RWY 25L FINAL. WE WERE AT 9000 FT BY THIS TIME AND CLRLY BELOW OUR ALT RESTRS. THIS VISUAL ACFT SHOULD HAVE MANEUVERED TO STAY WELL CLR. ATC SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE OTHER ACFT TO RWY 24R AND LEFT US ON RWY 25L, THUS NOT NEEDING THE XING CONFLICT. ATC WAS NO HELP. WE SHOULD HAVE DECLARED A NEAR MISS AND HAD THE TAPES MARKED. BY THE TIME WE WERE CLR OF CONFLICT WE WERE SO SPEECHLESS AND DISTURBED WE COULDN'T SAY ANYTHING. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 461384: CLRED FOR THE PDZ.PDZ3 TO RWY 25L. SUBSEQUENTLY CHANGED TO PDZ3 TO RWY 24R TRANSITION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.