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Flight crew of CE560 questions the common practice at ord to have aircraft depart runway 32L at the same time arriving aircraft are using runway 9L. In this situation, the CE560 had just rotated as it passed about 500 ft above the BAE146 on approach to runway 9L.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 462805 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200002 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl single value : 1200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Citation V |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | BAe 146 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 5200 flight time type : 700 |
| ASRS Report | 462805 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Miss Distance | vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were cleared for takeoff on runway 32L at T10 intersection. While still on the taxiway as we rolled on to runway 32L and added power for takeoff, we saw a BAE146 on short approach for runway 9L. I rotated the airplane and passed over the top of jet. We probably missed them by more than 500 ft. No mention of this was made by the airline crew or ATC. Maybe this is common practice at ord, but I feel this is unsafe. Looking back, I should have aborted the takeoff and waited for the BAE146 to land.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF CE560 QUESTIONS THE COMMON PRACTICE AT ORD TO HAVE ACFT DEPART RWY 32L AT THE SAME TIME ARRIVING ACFT ARE USING RWY 9L. IN THIS SIT, THE CE560 HAD JUST ROTATED AS IT PASSED ABOUT 500 FT ABOVE THE BAE146 ON APCH TO RWY 9L.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF ON RWY 32L AT T10 INTXN. WHILE STILL ON THE TXWY AS WE ROLLED ON TO RWY 32L AND ADDED PWR FOR TKOF, WE SAW A BAE146 ON SHORT APCH FOR RWY 9L. I ROTATED THE AIRPLANE AND PASSED OVER THE TOP OF JET. WE PROBABLY MISSED THEM BY MORE THAN 500 FT. NO MENTION OF THIS WAS MADE BY THE AIRLINE CREW OR ATC. MAYBE THIS IS COMMON PRACTICE AT ORD, BUT I FEEL THIS IS UNSAFE. LOOKING BACK, I SHOULD HAVE ABORTED THE TKOF AND WAITED FOR THE BAE146 TO LAND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.