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Attributes | |
ACN | 463623 |
Time | |
Date | 200002 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 463623 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were given radar vectors from the macey arrival to the approach for runway 26R atl. Since traffic was heavy we were entered into a downwind at 160 KIAS. It appeared that we inserted into final around freal and ahead of another plane on downwind/base. We were at 5000 ft MSL during this time. We were told to intercept the runway 26R localizer. We noticed another plane (Y) joining final ahead of us in a descending intercept to the localizer runway 26R. We queried approach about clearance for a visual since we were about to intercept GS. We said we had the field and approach cleared us to do the visual runway 26R maintain 160 KIAS to ajaay. Our separation from the aircraft (Y) ahead was never any more than 3 NM as it appeared on TCASII and visually. A couple of mi out of ajaay I slowed to 155 KTS to maintain 3 NM separation. At ajaay we contacted tower and they said we were cleared to land #2 behind a B757 (Y). We were surprised since that was the first mention of that aircraft type and our initial separation of 3 NM. I configured and slowed to approach and landed about 10-15 seconds after the B757 (Y) cleared. The approach and landing were uneventful but I was primed for an immediate go around throughout. If I had known the aircraft type early in the approach I would have requested an immediate slowdown to afford more separation. Approach did not provide proper in-trail separation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR EXPERIENCES LESS THAN REQUIRED WAKE TURB SEPARATION BEHIND A B757.
Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN RADAR VECTORS FROM THE MACEY ARR TO THE APCH FOR RWY 26R ATL. SINCE TFC WAS HVY WE WERE ENTERED INTO A DOWNWIND AT 160 KIAS. IT APPEARED THAT WE INSERTED INTO FINAL AROUND FREAL AND AHEAD OF ANOTHER PLANE ON DOWNWIND/BASE. WE WERE AT 5000 FT MSL DURING THIS TIME. WE WERE TOLD TO INTERCEPT THE RWY 26R LOC. WE NOTICED ANOTHER PLANE (Y) JOINING FINAL AHEAD OF US IN A DSNDING INTERCEPT TO THE LOC RWY 26R. WE QUERIED APCH ABOUT CLRNC FOR A VISUAL SINCE WE WERE ABOUT TO INTERCEPT GS. WE SAID WE HAD THE FIELD AND APCH CLRED US TO DO THE VISUAL RWY 26R MAINTAIN 160 KIAS TO AJAAY. OUR SEPARATION FROM THE ACFT (Y) AHEAD WAS NEVER ANY MORE THAN 3 NM AS IT APPEARED ON TCASII AND VISUALLY. A COUPLE OF MI OUT OF AJAAY I SLOWED TO 155 KTS TO MAINTAIN 3 NM SEPARATION. AT AJAAY WE CONTACTED TWR AND THEY SAID WE WERE CLRED TO LAND #2 BEHIND A B757 (Y). WE WERE SURPRISED SINCE THAT WAS THE FIRST MENTION OF THAT ACFT TYPE AND OUR INITIAL SEPARATION OF 3 NM. I CONFIGURED AND SLOWED TO APCH AND LANDED ABOUT 10-15 SECONDS AFTER THE B757 (Y) CLRED. THE APCH AND LNDG WERE UNEVENTFUL BUT I WAS PRIMED FOR AN IMMEDIATE GAR THROUGHOUT. IF I HAD KNOWN THE ACFT TYPE EARLY IN THE APCH I WOULD HAVE REQUESTED AN IMMEDIATE SLOWDOWN TO AFFORD MORE SEPARATION. APCH DID NOT PROVIDE PROPER IN-TRAIL SEPARATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.