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Attributes | |
ACN | 466736 |
Time | |
Date | 200003 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 17c |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : roll |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 17l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
ASRS Report | 466736 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 466230 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Airport ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared visual approach to dfw runway 17C and switched to tower. Before checking in with tower we received a TCASII alert. Visually acquired traffic turning final to runway 17L and observed he was still in the turn, slightly belly up to us. Both pilots' attention was diverted until we were certain he was not overshooting final turn. This distraction contributed to a late airspeed reduction, which in turn caused us to be late configuring for landing. Never checked in with tower for landing clearance. Made a normal landing and turned off runway early. Tower cleared us to cross parallel runway with no additional comment, leading me to believe he may have cleared us to land without noticing our failure to acknowledge. Additional contributing factors were a later than usual visual approach clearance (we had to prompt approach control for clearance and tower handoff) and we were kept higher than usual until short final. Our own late airspeed reduction also complicated matters. Supplemental information from acn 466230: on approach to dfw we were late in getting approach clearance and had our speed up, as no one was in front, when an airplane overshot runway 17L and we got a TCASII message. Between that, slowing down, being high, and trying to listen to the controller that talks so fast he sounds like an auctioneer, we are not sure we responded to a landing clearance. We are not sure we had one. Need to make sure these guys don't just leave you out there with no clearance while it is very busy. Our fault for not slowing down sooner.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FK10 LANDED WITHOUT CLRNC AT DFW.
Narrative: CLRED VISUAL APCH TO DFW RWY 17C AND SWITCHED TO TWR. BEFORE CHKING IN WITH TWR WE RECEIVED A TCASII ALERT. VISUALLY ACQUIRED TFC TURNING FINAL TO RWY 17L AND OBSERVED HE WAS STILL IN THE TURN, SLIGHTLY BELLY UP TO US. BOTH PLTS' ATTN WAS DIVERTED UNTIL WE WERE CERTAIN HE WAS NOT OVERSHOOTING FINAL TURN. THIS DISTR CONTRIBUTED TO A LATE AIRSPD REDUCTION, WHICH IN TURN CAUSED US TO BE LATE CONFIGURING FOR LNDG. NEVER CHKED IN WITH TWR FOR LNDG CLRNC. MADE A NORMAL LNDG AND TURNED OFF RWY EARLY. TWR CLRED US TO CROSS PARALLEL RWY WITH NO ADDITIONAL COMMENT, LEADING ME TO BELIEVE HE MAY HAVE CLRED US TO LAND WITHOUT NOTICING OUR FAILURE TO ACKNOWLEDGE. ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WERE A LATER THAN USUAL VISUAL APCH CLRNC (WE HAD TO PROMPT APCH CTL FOR CLRNC AND TWR HDOF) AND WE WERE KEPT HIGHER THAN USUAL UNTIL SHORT FINAL. OUR OWN LATE AIRSPD REDUCTION ALSO COMPLICATED MATTERS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 466230: ON APCH TO DFW WE WERE LATE IN GETTING APCH CLRNC AND HAD OUR SPD UP, AS NO ONE WAS IN FRONT, WHEN AN AIRPLANE OVERSHOT RWY 17L AND WE GOT A TCASII MESSAGE. BTWN THAT, SLOWING DOWN, BEING HIGH, AND TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE CTLR THAT TALKS SO FAST HE SOUNDS LIKE AN AUCTIONEER, WE ARE NOT SURE WE RESPONDED TO A LNDG CLRNC. WE ARE NOT SURE WE HAD ONE. NEED TO MAKE SURE THESE GUYS DON'T JUST LEAVE YOU OUT THERE WITH NO CLRNC WHILE IT IS VERY BUSY. OUR FAULT FOR NOT SLOWING DOWN SOONER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.