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Attributes | |
ACN | 467760 |
Time | |
Date | 200003 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rjaa.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 36000 msl bound upper : 37700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Route In Use | enroute : pacific |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : relief pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 15500 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 467760 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to original clearance other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On a trans-pacific flight from osaka, japan to los angeles, ca. I had just moved from the left (flying) seat to the right when the other captain came forward after his break. He then became the PF while I handled the radios and position reporting. We started to get moderate turbulence at FL360, so I requested the next higher flight level (FL370). Our clearance to climb came a few mins later, just as the new captain was handed his meal tray. He set the autoplt for climb and the thrust increased as the aircraft pitched up. The rate of climb seemed high for a 1000 ft altitude change, but the autoplt is a good one and always works. As we climbed, we encountered a strong updraft and the aircraft shot through FL370, much to our amazement. The flying captain disconnected the autoplt and smoothly lowered the nose, not wanting to subject the aircraft, flight attendants, passenger and galley equipment to negative G loadings. The end result was an altitude overshoot of approximately 700 ft. After the incident, I wished I had taken control of the aircraft when I noticed the high climb rate. But with 2 capts occupying the front seats, this can be awkward. You really hesitate to take the airplane from the other guy. In sits like this, it seems there are always contributing factors: the ever present fatigue encountered on eastbound trans-pacifics, distrs like the meal tray coming up, unexpected WX conditions, and dependence on automation that works great 99.99 percent of the time. You just can't be too careful out there!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747 CREW OVERSHOT ALT DURING ENRTE CLB.
Narrative: ON A TRANS-PACIFIC FLT FROM OSAKA, JAPAN TO LOS ANGELES, CA. I HAD JUST MOVED FROM THE L (FLYING) SEAT TO THE R WHEN THE OTHER CAPT CAME FORWARD AFTER HIS BREAK. HE THEN BECAME THE PF WHILE I HANDLED THE RADIOS AND POS RPTING. WE STARTED TO GET MODERATE TURB AT FL360, SO I REQUESTED THE NEXT HIGHER FLT LEVEL (FL370). OUR CLRNC TO CLB CAME A FEW MINS LATER, JUST AS THE NEW CAPT WAS HANDED HIS MEAL TRAY. HE SET THE AUTOPLT FOR CLB AND THE THRUST INCREASED AS THE ACFT PITCHED UP. THE RATE OF CLB SEEMED HIGH FOR A 1000 FT ALT CHANGE, BUT THE AUTOPLT IS A GOOD ONE AND ALWAYS WORKS. AS WE CLBED, WE ENCOUNTERED A STRONG UPDRAFT AND THE ACFT SHOT THROUGH FL370, MUCH TO OUR AMAZEMENT. THE FLYING CAPT DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND SMOOTHLY LOWERED THE NOSE, NOT WANTING TO SUBJECT THE ACFT, FLT ATTENDANTS, PAX AND GALLEY EQUIP TO NEGATIVE G LOADINGS. THE END RESULT WAS AN ALT OVERSHOOT OF APPROX 700 FT. AFTER THE INCIDENT, I WISHED I HAD TAKEN CTL OF THE ACFT WHEN I NOTICED THE HIGH CLB RATE. BUT WITH 2 CAPTS OCCUPYING THE FRONT SEATS, THIS CAN BE AWKWARD. YOU REALLY HESITATE TO TAKE THE AIRPLANE FROM THE OTHER GUY. IN SITS LIKE THIS, IT SEEMS THERE ARE ALWAYS CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: THE EVER PRESENT FATIGUE ENCOUNTERED ON EBOUND TRANS-PACIFICS, DISTRS LIKE THE MEAL TRAY COMING UP, UNEXPECTED WX CONDITIONS, AND DEPENDENCE ON AUTOMATION THAT WORKS GREAT 99.99 PERCENT OF THE TIME. YOU JUST CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL OUT THERE!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.