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Attributes | |
ACN | 468144 |
Time | |
Date | 200003 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cid.airport |
State Reference | IA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cid.tracon tower : cid.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cid.tracon |
Operator | Other |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 20000 |
ASRS Report | 466144 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 400 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error other |
Narrative:
Cid tower cleared us (air carrier X flight) for takeoff runway 27 to 5000 ft. We were very light (weight) with a high rate of climb. Almost immediately after takeoff we received a TCASII alert, followed by a descend command. At approximately this same time, we received a TA from ATC, but between the TCASII verbal alerts, the ATC advisories and the busy cockpit, I don't remember the exact timing. After contacting departure control, I asked about the traffic. It was a helicopter at 2500 ft and had been in contact with ATC (flying south). There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that without aggressive response to stop our climb and a turn, we would've collided. I estimate that we were within 300-400 ft of impact. The TCASII alert came before any tower advisory and the TCASII probably saved many lives. With a 20 degree pitch for climb and a rate of climb of 4000 FPM (approximately), there is not much time to react. The control tower should've never cleared us for takeoff into known traffic -- especially without giving us an advisory.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG STOPPED INITIAL CLBOUT IN RESPONSE TO TCASII RA TO DSND FOR A HELI FLYING THROUGH THE CLASS C AIRSPACE AT 2500 FT.
Narrative: CID TWR CLRED US (ACR X FLT) FOR TKOF RWY 27 TO 5000 FT. WE WERE VERY LIGHT (WT) WITH A HIGH RATE OF CLB. ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER TKOF WE RECEIVED A TCASII ALERT, FOLLOWED BY A DSND COMMAND. AT APPROX THIS SAME TIME, WE RECEIVED A TA FROM ATC, BUT BTWN THE TCASII VERBAL ALERTS, THE ATC ADVISORIES AND THE BUSY COCKPIT, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TIMING. AFTER CONTACTING DEP CTL, I ASKED ABOUT THE TFC. IT WAS A HELI AT 2500 FT AND HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ATC (FLYING S). THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT WITHOUT AGGRESSIVE RESPONSE TO STOP OUR CLB AND A TURN, WE WOULD'VE COLLIDED. I ESTIMATE THAT WE WERE WITHIN 300-400 FT OF IMPACT. THE TCASII ALERT CAME BEFORE ANY TWR ADVISORY AND THE TCASII PROBABLY SAVED MANY LIVES. WITH A 20 DEG PITCH FOR CLB AND A RATE OF CLB OF 4000 FPM (APPROX), THERE IS NOT MUCH TIME TO REACT. THE CTL TWR SHOULD'VE NEVER CLRED US FOR TKOF INTO KNOWN TFC -- ESPECIALLY WITHOUT GIVING US AN ADVISORY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.