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Attributes | |
ACN | 476170 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 260 flight time total : 3400 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 476170 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : company policies other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : gpws other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
While on vectors for runway 4 at lga the terrain warning system began to sound. We were on a 220 degree heading at 3000 ft. I asked the captain what he wanted me to do. He told me to climb to 4000 ft. I knew the MSA for our area was 2800 ft so I was not concerned about terrain. However, since the captain told me to climb, I began to do so. I was a little hesitate to initiate the climb knowing how busy the ZNY ATC system is and did not want to cause a traffic conflict. The captain was simultaneously asking ATC for a climb to 4000 ft. The controller responded are you crazy? You want to do what? At this time I was at 3200 ft, but began to level again at 3000 ft due to the controller's response and not wanting to have a traffic conflict. After the captain explained that our terrain warning was sounding, ATC gave us a 270 degree heading and climb to 4000 ft. After the captain pulled the circuit breaker the flight continued with no further incident. I believe the confusion resulted from my knowledge of the normal vectoring altitudes for kga and not wanting to climb, yet also not wanting to disagree with the captain's instructions to climb. In the future I should be more assertive with my discussion with the captain.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DH8 CREW HAD A GPWS WARNING IN N90 CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WHILE ON VECTORS FOR RWY 4 AT LGA THE TERRAIN WARNING SYS BEGAN TO SOUND. WE WERE ON A 220 DEG HDG AT 3000 FT. I ASKED THE CAPT WHAT HE WANTED ME TO DO. HE TOLD ME TO CLB TO 4000 FT. I KNEW THE MSA FOR OUR AREA WAS 2800 FT SO I WAS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT TERRAIN. HOWEVER, SINCE THE CAPT TOLD ME TO CLB, I BEGAN TO DO SO. I WAS A LITTLE HESITATE TO INITIATE THE CLB KNOWING HOW BUSY THE ZNY ATC SYS IS AND DID NOT WANT TO CAUSE A TFC CONFLICT. THE CAPT WAS SIMULTANEOUSLY ASKING ATC FOR A CLB TO 4000 FT. THE CONTROLLER RESPONDED ARE YOU CRAZY? YOU WANT TO DO WHAT? AT THIS TIME I WAS AT 3200 FT, BUT BEGAN TO LEVEL AGAIN AT 3000 FT DUE TO THE CTLR'S RESPONSE AND NOT WANTING TO HAVE A TFC CONFLICT. AFTER THE CAPT EXPLAINED THAT OUR TERRAIN WARNING WAS SOUNDING, ATC GAVE US A 270 DEG HDG AND CLB TO 4000 FT. AFTER THE CAPT PULLED THE CIRCUIT BREAKER THE FLT CONTINUED WITH NO FURTHER INCIDENT. I BELIEVE THE CONFUSION RESULTED FROM MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE NORMAL VECTORING ALTS FOR KGA AND NOT WANTING TO CLB, YET ALSO NOT WANTING TO DISAGREE WITH THE CAPT'S INSTRUCTIONS TO CLB. IN THE FUTURE I SHOULD BE MORE ASSERTIVE WITH MY DISCUSSION WITH THE CAPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.