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Attributes | |
ACN | 476330 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tlh.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : tlh.tracon tower : hou&.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : tlh.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 19600 flight time type : 12000 |
ASRS Report | 476330 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 1900 flight time type : 230 |
ASRS Report | 476177 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Approximately 30 NM southeast of tlh, descending through 6500 ft to 6000 ft, target appeared on TCASII 800-1000 ft below (traffic not called by ATC or acquired by crew). Shallowed descent and then received TCASII alert 'reduce descent,' followed by a climb command. We climbed approximately 200 ft, advised ATC, and observed traffic passing below. Continued our descent to 6000 ft. Supplemental information from acn 476177: at no time had ATC given us a TA and we never had visual contact with the traffic either. ATC informed us that the traffic was below us by 500 ft. After landing, we were told to call the tower, who informed us approach was making a report because we deviated from the 6000 ft altitude assignment. When asked why we did this, we again explained about the RA we had received. I feel approach is misguided in this situation. They did not give us a TA. We did not see the traffic and when we complied with a mandatory RA to prevent a midair, they acted like we were at fault, and had done something wrong. When we follow an RA, it is to avoid an accident of catastrophic potential and only in the interest of safety. ATC should realize this and should also remember that TA's are really appreciated and help greatly even though it is primarily the crew's responsibility to see and avoid.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FOLLOWING A TCASII RA NEAR TLH CAUSES CTLR TO QUESTION CREW'S EVASIVE ACTION.
Narrative: APPROX 30 NM SE OF TLH, DSNDING THROUGH 6500 FT TO 6000 FT, TARGET APPEARED ON TCASII 800-1000 FT BELOW (TFC NOT CALLED BY ATC OR ACQUIRED BY CREW). SHALLOWED DSCNT AND THEN RECEIVED TCASII ALERT 'REDUCE DSCNT,' FOLLOWED BY A CLB COMMAND. WE CLBED APPROX 200 FT, ADVISED ATC, AND OBSERVED TFC PASSING BELOW. CONTINUED OUR DSCNT TO 6000 FT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 476177: AT NO TIME HAD ATC GIVEN US A TA AND WE NEVER HAD VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE TFC EITHER. ATC INFORMED US THAT THE TFC WAS BELOW US BY 500 FT. AFTER LNDG, WE WERE TOLD TO CALL THE TWR, WHO INFORMED US APCH WAS MAKING A RPT BECAUSE WE DEVIATED FROM THE 6000 FT ALT ASSIGNMENT. WHEN ASKED WHY WE DID THIS, WE AGAIN EXPLAINED ABOUT THE RA WE HAD RECEIVED. I FEEL APCH IS MISGUIDED IN THIS SIT. THEY DID NOT GIVE US A TA. WE DID NOT SEE THE TFC AND WHEN WE COMPLIED WITH A MANDATORY RA TO PREVENT A MIDAIR, THEY ACTED LIKE WE WERE AT FAULT, AND HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG. WHEN WE FOLLOW AN RA, IT IS TO AVOID AN ACCIDENT OF CATASTROPHIC POTENTIAL AND ONLY IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY. ATC SHOULD REALIZE THIS AND SHOULD ALSO REMEMBER THAT TA'S ARE REALLY APPRECIATED AND HELP GREATLY EVEN THOUGH IT IS PRIMARILY THE CREW'S RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE AND AVOID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.