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A cargo MD11 first officer doesn't get much help from the PIC when doubtful about the descent on the annie arrival procedure into vtbd, first officer.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 476430 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200006 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : vtbd.airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-11 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : annie |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 476430 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Held left orbit 091 degree course to annie. Inbound cleared direct annie the 'annie 3A' arrival. We were at 9000 ft. I asked the captain what altitude we were cleared to. The STAR profile goes to 2500 ft. I told her I was unsure of our altitude clearance. Passing annie we started descent. I asked the captain to call leaving 9000 ft. She said we didn't have to. At 8500 ft the controller asked us why we were descending. I started a climb to 9000 ft. Soon after we were vectored and given altitudes to descend to.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CARGO MD11 FO DOESN'T GET MUCH HELP FROM THE PIC WHEN DOUBTFUL ABOUT THE DSCNT ON THE ANNIE ARR PROC INTO VTBD, FO.
Narrative: HELD L ORBIT 091 DEG COURSE TO ANNIE. INBOUND CLRED DIRECT ANNIE THE 'ANNIE 3A' ARR. WE WERE AT 9000 FT. I ASKED THE CAPT WHAT ALT WE WERE CLRED TO. THE STAR PROFILE GOES TO 2500 FT. I TOLD HER I WAS UNSURE OF OUR ALT CLRNC. PASSING ANNIE WE STARTED DSCNT. I ASKED THE CAPT TO CALL LEAVING 9000 FT. SHE SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE TO. AT 8500 FT THE CTLR ASKED US WHY WE WERE DSNDING. I STARTED A CLB TO 9000 FT. SOON AFTER WE WERE VECTORED AND GIVEN ALTS TO DSND TO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.