A B757-200 PIC report on the inability to conform to the civet arrival altitude crossing restrs at bremr and arnes when sct approach controller had them high and fast at civet, ca.

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Attributes
ACN	476616
Time
Date	200006
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : lax.vortac
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon tower : sfb.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	ils localizer only : 25l other
Flight Phase	descent : vacating altitude
Route In Use	arrival star : civet
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 180
ASRS Report	476616
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Approach held us high past civet intersection, and slowed us to 250 KTS. The B757 is notorious for only being able to 'go down or slow down' -- not both. We were in a tough situation, and I was very busy with PNF duties and monitoring first officer as PF. We were off of our VNAV path for civet 4, and first officer repeatedly attempted to re-engage VNAV, unsuccessfully. By this time we were very high and unable to make one (several?) at or below crossing restrs on the civet 4. Lack of situational awareness by first officer, getting behind by trying to re-engage VNAV other than a different descent mode on FMS, being put in a tight situation by socal approach, and first officer reluctance to captain's repeated advisories of being high, use gear to increase descent, and use a different mode while trying to do PNF duties, contributed to situation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B757-200 PIC RPT ON THE INABILITY TO CONFORM TO THE CIVET ARR ALT XING RESTRS AT BREMR AND ARNES WHEN SCT APCH CTLR HAD THEM HIGH AND FAST AT CIVET, CA.

Narrative: APCH HELD US HIGH PAST CIVET INTXN, AND SLOWED US TO 250 KTS. THE B757 IS NOTORIOUS FOR ONLY BEING ABLE TO 'GO DOWN OR SLOW DOWN' -- NOT BOTH. WE WERE IN A TOUGH SIT, AND I WAS VERY BUSY WITH PNF DUTIES AND MONITORING FO AS PF. WE WERE OFF OF OUR VNAV PATH FOR CIVET 4, AND FO REPEATEDLY ATTEMPTED TO RE-ENGAGE VNAV, UNSUCCESSFULLY. BY THIS TIME WE WERE VERY HIGH AND UNABLE TO MAKE ONE (SEVERAL?) AT OR BELOW XING RESTRS ON THE CIVET 4. LACK OF SITUATIONAL AWARENESS BY FO, GETTING BEHIND BY TRYING TO RE-ENGAGE VNAV OTHER THAN A DIFFERENT DSCNT MODE ON FMS, BEING PUT IN A TIGHT SIT BY SOCAL APCH, AND FO RELUCTANCE TO CAPT'S REPEATED ADVISORIES OF BEING HIGH, USE GEAR TO INCREASE DSCNT, AND USE A DIFFERENT MODE WHILE TRYING TO DO PNF DUTIES, CONTRIBUTED TO SIT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.