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Attributes | |
ACN | 478409 |
Time | |
Date | 200007 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 478409 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : landed as precaution |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : ord.tower |
Narrative:
Decelerating through 90 KTS on landing roll, tower issued our aircraft a 'right turnoff' and something else about a taxiway and a runway. After clearing the runway, the clearance was reissued as 'left on taxiway T hold short of runway 27L, monitor 120.75.' at 90 KTS during a critical phase of flight. Why does ord tower expect me to be concentrating on remembering and reading back taxi and hold short instructions. My duties are to monitor aircraft deceleration, proper ground track, proper braking action and be spring loaded to take aircraft control, in the event of any problems. This problem of tower issuing clrncs during high speed landing rollout is happening on a daily basis. It needs to stop. Also during this approach, an aircraft was cleared for takeoff on our landing runway, when we were at 1100 ft AGL. The departing aircraft lined up when we were at 580 ft AGL (2 mi out, 1 min from touchdown). The departing aircraft broke ground, when we were at 120 ft AGL (1000 ft from the threshold, 10 seconds from touching down). This type of operation is also becoming commonplace at O'hare. Let's get safety back as a priority -- not how many aircraft we can cram into 1 airfield. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter concerned with the 'constant' tight arrival/departure sequencing. He flies into ord frequency. One of the reporter's concerns, what if he initiates a go around with traffic on initial takeoff? The reporter stated that he has not had to deal with this yet, feeling that he 'must' land, even though his instinct is to initiate a go around.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLC CONCERNED WITH ORD ARR DEP SEQUENCING OP.
Narrative: DECELERATING THROUGH 90 KTS ON LNDG ROLL, TWR ISSUED OUR ACFT A 'R TURNOFF' AND SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT A TXWY AND A RWY. AFTER CLRING THE RWY, THE CLRNC WAS REISSUED AS 'L ON TXWY T HOLD SHORT OF RWY 27L, MONITOR 120.75.' AT 90 KTS DURING A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT. WHY DOES ORD TWR EXPECT ME TO BE CONCENTRATING ON REMEMBERING AND READING BACK TAXI AND HOLD SHORT INSTRUCTIONS. MY DUTIES ARE TO MONITOR ACFT DECELERATION, PROPER GND TRACK, PROPER BRAKING ACTION AND BE SPRING LOADED TO TAKE ACFT CTL, IN THE EVENT OF ANY PROBS. THIS PROB OF TWR ISSUING CLRNCS DURING HIGH SPD LNDG ROLLOUT IS HAPPENING ON A DAILY BASIS. IT NEEDS TO STOP. ALSO DURING THIS APCH, AN ACFT WAS CLRED FOR TKOF ON OUR LNDG RWY, WHEN WE WERE AT 1100 FT AGL. THE DEPARTING ACFT LINED UP WHEN WE WERE AT 580 FT AGL (2 MI OUT, 1 MIN FROM TOUCHDOWN). THE DEPARTING ACFT BROKE GND, WHEN WE WERE AT 120 FT AGL (1000 FT FROM THE THRESHOLD, 10 SECONDS FROM TOUCHING DOWN). THIS TYPE OF OP IS ALSO BECOMING COMMONPLACE AT O'HARE. LET'S GET SAFETY BACK AS A PRIORITY -- NOT HOW MANY ACFT WE CAN CRAM INTO 1 AIRFIELD. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR CONCERNED WITH THE 'CONSTANT' TIGHT ARR/DEP SEQUENCING. HE FLIES INTO ORD FREQ. ONE OF THE RPTR'S CONCERNS, WHAT IF HE INITIATES A GAR WITH TFC ON INITIAL TKOF? THE RPTR STATED THAT HE HAS NOT HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS YET, FEELING THAT HE 'MUST' LAND, EVEN THOUGH HIS INSTINCT IS TO INITIATE A GAR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.