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With the sun in his face, a landing DC10 pilot, aware that another aircraft has been cleared for takeoff on the same runway, finds on touchdown that the departing aircraft is not off the ground yet.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 480617 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200007 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Weather Elements | other |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : msp.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-10 40 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : msp.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 480617 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Landing runway 12R msp 20 mins (approximately) after sundown, B727 cleared for takeoff. We're about 1 1/2 - 2 mi out. Couldn't see attitude of B727 to any certainty except that he was on runway. No go around given from tower. Upon touchdown, I noticed he was still on runway. Tower parameters for landing and taking off aircraft 6000 ft and airborne (nosewheel off runway). This close proximity on landing appears too close to be safe. Safety is being compromised for the expediency of traffic. The go around decision should be made by 200 ft, that will be my parameter from now on.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WITH THE SUN IN HIS FACE, A LNDG DC10 PLT, AWARE THAT ANOTHER ACFT HAS BEEN CLRED FOR TKOF ON THE SAME RWY, FINDS ON TOUCHDOWN THAT THE DEPARTING ACFT IS NOT OFF THE GND YET.
Narrative: LNDG RWY 12R MSP 20 MINS (APPROX) AFTER SUNDOWN, B727 CLRED FOR TKOF. WE'RE ABOUT 1 1/2 - 2 MI OUT. COULDN'T SEE ATTITUDE OF B727 TO ANY CERTAINTY EXCEPT THAT HE WAS ON RWY. NO GAR GIVEN FROM TWR. UPON TOUCHDOWN, I NOTICED HE WAS STILL ON RWY. TWR PARAMETERS FOR LNDG AND TAKING OFF ACFT 6000 FT AND AIRBORNE (NOSEWHEEL OFF RWY). THIS CLOSE PROX ON LNDG APPEARS TOO CLOSE TO BE SAFE. SAFETY IS BEING COMPROMISED FOR THE EXPEDIENCY OF TFC. THE GAR DECISION SHOULD BE MADE BY 200 FT, THAT WILL BE MY PARAMETER FROM NOW ON.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.