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Attributes | |
ACN | 481260 |
Time | |
Date | 200008 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sna.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : kayoh |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 481260 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Controller misunderstanding of altitude clearance. Descending into sna on kayoh arrival, socal approach issued a 185 degree heading for sequence and cleared us to 6000 ft. Standard procedures -- readback/first officer set 6000 ft. We both verified 6000 ft. Descending through 7000 ft, a new controller told us to maintain 7000 ft. We acknowledged and began leveling off. First officer said we'd been previously cleared to 6000 ft. Controller disagreed and said we never cleared you below 8000 ft until kayoh. I asked if a controller change had taken place and he confirmed it had. No harm, no foul. We completed the arrival and approach. I feel a controller change took place with a misunderstanding on controller's part of our previous altitude clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CREW HAD ALTDEV IN SCT CLASS E AIRSPACE.
Narrative: CTLR MISUNDERSTANDING OF ALT CLRNC. DSNDING INTO SNA ON KAYOH ARR, SOCAL APCH ISSUED A 185 DEG HDG FOR SEQUENCE AND CLRED US TO 6000 FT. STANDARD PROCS -- READBACK/FO SET 6000 FT. WE BOTH VERIFIED 6000 FT. DSNDING THROUGH 7000 FT, A NEW CTLR TOLD US TO MAINTAIN 7000 FT. WE ACKNOWLEDGED AND BEGAN LEVELING OFF. FO SAID WE'D BEEN PREVIOUSLY CLRED TO 6000 FT. CTLR DISAGREED AND SAID WE NEVER CLRED YOU BELOW 8000 FT UNTIL KAYOH. I ASKED IF A CTLR CHANGE HAD TAKEN PLACE AND HE CONFIRMED IT HAD. NO HARM, NO FOUL. WE COMPLETED THE ARR AND APCH. I FEEL A CTLR CHANGE TOOK PLACE WITH A MISUNDERSTANDING ON CTLR'S PART OF OUR PREVIOUS ALT CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.