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A DA20 PIC performs a gear, flaps up ILS approach to runway 22 and exceeds the 200 KT speed limit at elp, tx.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 484090 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200008 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : elp.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl single value : 100 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : rdu.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 20FJF/20C/20D/20E/20F |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 22 |
| Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude landing : missed approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 132 flight time total : 2270 flight time type : 270 |
| ASRS Report | 484090 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 135 flight time total : 4775 flight time type : 645 |
| ASRS Report | 484694 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On aug/thu/00, the PIC of the flight shot a practice ILS approach VMC into el paso to runway 22. Since I was the PNF, the PIC told me to ask for an ILS with vectors and request 'clear for the option.' the PIC told me he will shoot the ILS approach with a clean confign with no flaps and gear (absolutely no drag at all). The PIC shot the approach at 250 KIAS with a low pass of runway 22 at 250 KIAS. During the missed approach climb out the ATC specialist inquired about our airspeed. The PIC directed me to respond with 240 KIAS. In the light of the above mentioned event the PIC during our initial descent and approach brief instructed me (first officer/PNF) that he will shoot the approach at 250 KTS. I did not want to contradict his authority/authorized because on previous occasions we had disagreements and it also had been a long day for us. The rest of the flight was uneventful and standard. Supplemental information from acn 484694: this approach was non standard and modified by me the PIC in my on going mission to improve and grow as a captain and pilot.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DA20 PIC PERFORMS A GEAR, FLAPS UP ILS APCH TO RWY 22 AND EXCEEDS THE 200 KT SPD LIMIT AT ELP, TX.
Narrative: ON AUG/THU/00, THE PIC OF THE FLT SHOT A PRACTICE ILS APCH VMC INTO EL PASO TO RWY 22. SINCE I WAS THE PNF, THE PIC TOLD ME TO ASK FOR AN ILS WITH VECTORS AND REQUEST 'CLR FOR THE OPTION.' THE PIC TOLD ME HE WILL SHOOT THE ILS APCH WITH A CLEAN CONFIGN WITH NO FLAPS AND GEAR (ABSOLUTELY NO DRAG AT ALL). THE PIC SHOT THE APCH AT 250 KIAS WITH A LOW PASS OF RWY 22 AT 250 KIAS. DURING THE MISSED APCH CLBOUT THE ATC SPECIALIST INQUIRED ABOUT OUR AIRSPD. THE PIC DIRECTED ME TO RESPOND WITH 240 KIAS. IN THE LIGHT OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED EVENT THE PIC DURING OUR INITIAL DSCNT AND APCH BRIEF INSTRUCTED ME (FO/PNF) THAT HE WILL SHOOT THE APCH AT 250 KTS. I DID NOT WANT TO CONTRADICT HIS AUTH BECAUSE ON PREVIOUS OCCASIONS WE HAD DISAGREEMENTS AND IT ALSO HAD BEEN A LONG DAY FOR US. THE REST OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL AND STANDARD. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 484694: THIS APCH WAS NON STANDARD AND MODIFIED BY ME THE PIC IN MY ON GOING MISSION TO IMPROVE AND GROW AS A CAPT AND PLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.