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Attributes | |
ACN | 485310 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : ffu.vortac |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 485310 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ZLC advised of traffic ahead and above. We called 'in sight.' ZLC asked if we would accept visual separation and continue climb. We accepted. PF had traffic in sight at 11:30 O'clock position. PNF had traffic in sight closer and above at 11 O'clock position. PF traded altitude for airspeed in climb and traffic alerted on TCASII. So pointed at traffic to confirm which was alert. Were continued climb rapidly through altitude of other traffic with visual avoidance. We were co-altitude only as we passed his level with visual contact. WX radar/TCASII was in 80 NM range for night WX avoidance. This slightly slowed TCASII alert capability. PNF had visual contact with traffic throughout this incident. PF originally had conflict aircraft obscured by cockpit window frame. Later PF had visual contact with conflict traffic. Lesson learned: PNF and PF should better confirm between them the traffic to visually avoid before accepting visual avoidance. At night, I would be very reluctant to accept such a clearance again.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727-200 FLC SUFFERS A POTENTIAL CONFLICT DURING A VISUAL CLB CLRNC THROUGH 15000 FT WITH THE WRONG TFC IN SIGHT DURING INITIAL POINTOUT NEAR FFU, UT.
Narrative: ZLC ADVISED OF TFC AHEAD AND ABOVE. WE CALLED 'IN SIGHT.' ZLC ASKED IF WE WOULD ACCEPT VISUAL SEPARATION AND CONTINUE CLB. WE ACCEPTED. PF HAD TFC IN SIGHT AT 11:30 O'CLOCK POS. PNF HAD TFC IN SIGHT CLOSER AND ABOVE AT 11 O'CLOCK POS. PF TRADED ALT FOR AIRSPD IN CLB AND TFC ALERTED ON TCASII. SO POINTED AT TFC TO CONFIRM WHICH WAS ALERT. WERE CONTINUED CLB RAPIDLY THROUGH ALT OF OTHER TFC WITH VISUAL AVOIDANCE. WE WERE CO-ALT ONLY AS WE PASSED HIS LEVEL WITH VISUAL CONTACT. WX RADAR/TCASII WAS IN 80 NM RANGE FOR NIGHT WX AVOIDANCE. THIS SLIGHTLY SLOWED TCASII ALERT CAPABILITY. PNF HAD VISUAL CONTACT WITH TFC THROUGHOUT THIS INCIDENT. PF ORIGINALLY HAD CONFLICT ACFT OBSCURED BY COCKPIT WINDOW FRAME. LATER PF HAD VISUAL CONTACT WITH CONFLICT TFC. LESSON LEARNED: PNF AND PF SHOULD BETTER CONFIRM BTWN THEM THE TFC TO VISUALLY AVOID BEFORE ACCEPTING VISUAL AVOIDANCE. AT NIGHT, I WOULD BE VERY RELUCTANT TO ACCEPT SUCH A CLRNC AGAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.