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Attributes | |
ACN | 486725 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : lga.vor |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : hvn.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 20 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 31 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 9600 flight time type : 3700 |
ASRS Report | 486725 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 4500 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error other |
Narrative:
First officer was PF. We were being vectored for localizer 31 approach at lga. Although the current ATIS reported 033 scattered, 041 broken ceilings, we actually experienced about 050 overcast skies as we were vectored at 4000 ft MSL from southwest of lga, and a ragged 035-038 overcast ceiling north and east of lga. We were being vectored by new york TRACON (frequency 134.9) and were at 4000 ft MSL at 180 KTS on 150 degree heading. We were IMC. At approximately XA35 our TCASII alerted us of a TA at our 12 O'clock position and same altitude. The contact continued moving directly at us from our 12 O'clock position. When it was approximately 3-4 NM off our nose, I asked new york approach (134.9 was a terribly busy frequency as they were vectoring aircraft to repos for the approach in use, from localizer 31, to expressway visual 31) if they had the traffic ahead of us and closing at same altitude. New york approach replied affirmative and gave us a left 15 degree turn for traffic. The traffic by now was 2 NM off our nose. Shortly after rolling out on new assigned heading we received TCASII RA to 'climb, climb.' approximately 10 seconds after the RA alert we received the TCASII 'clear of conflict' notice. Upon receipt of the RA we commenced complying but due to the high closure rate and very close point of lateral separation we received the 'clear of conflict' relatively quickly. From our TCASII display I estimated the closest point of opposing traffic at 200 ft vertically and 3/4 - 1 mi (to our right) laterally. I remarked to the controller that 'that was close.' the controller said 'sorry.' the first officer and I noted in the next 10-15 mins of 'repos' vectoring that the controller made a couple other vector errors on other aircraft. The controller appeared to be taxed to the limit of his skill level. New york TRACON is a highly challenging traffic environment, even during optimum WX and operations conditions, but with marginal WX and then changing the approach in use with the airspace saturated may cause some controllers to not be as vigilant and diligent as they should be and are capable of. Trust your TCASII!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIRBORNE CRITICAL BTWN A DC9 ON VECTOR TO LGA WY 31, 13 MI SE AND ACR ACFT ALSO ON VECTOR COMING RIGHT TOWARD THE DC9. THE DC9 FLC WERE IMC BUT RESPONDED TO TCASII RA. NO TA ISSUED.
Narrative: FO WAS PF. WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR LOC 31 APCH AT LGA. ALTHOUGH THE CURRENT ATIS RPTED 033 SCATTERED, 041 BROKEN CEILINGS, WE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED ABOUT 050 OVCST SKIES AS WE WERE VECTORED AT 4000 FT MSL FROM SW OF LGA, AND A RAGGED 035-038 OVCST CEILING N AND E OF LGA. WE WERE BEING VECTORED BY NEW YORK TRACON (FREQ 134.9) AND WERE AT 4000 FT MSL AT 180 KTS ON 150 DEG HDG. WE WERE IMC. AT APPROX XA35 OUR TCASII ALERTED US OF A TA AT OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS AND SAME ALT. THE CONTACT CONTINUED MOVING DIRECTLY AT US FROM OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS. WHEN IT WAS APPROX 3-4 NM OFF OUR NOSE, I ASKED NEW YORK APCH (134.9 WAS A TERRIBLY BUSY FREQ AS THEY WERE VECTORING ACFT TO REPOS FOR THE APCH IN USE, FROM LOC 31, TO EXPRESSWAY VISUAL 31) IF THEY HAD THE TFC AHEAD OF US AND CLOSING AT SAME ALT. NEW YORK APCH REPLIED AFFIRMATIVE AND GAVE US A L 15 DEG TURN FOR TFC. THE TFC BY NOW WAS 2 NM OFF OUR NOSE. SHORTLY AFTER ROLLING OUT ON NEW ASSIGNED HDG WE RECEIVED TCASII RA TO 'CLB, CLB.' APPROX 10 SECONDS AFTER THE RA ALERT WE RECEIVED THE TCASII 'CLR OF CONFLICT' NOTICE. UPON RECEIPT OF THE RA WE COMMENCED COMPLYING BUT DUE TO THE HIGH CLOSURE RATE AND VERY CLOSE POINT OF LATERAL SEPARATION WE RECEIVED THE 'CLR OF CONFLICT' RELATIVELY QUICKLY. FROM OUR TCASII DISPLAY I ESTIMATED THE CLOSEST POINT OF OPPOSING TFC AT 200 FT VERTLY AND 3/4 - 1 MI (TO OUR R) LATERALLY. I REMARKED TO THE CTLR THAT 'THAT WAS CLOSE.' THE CTLR SAID 'SORRY.' THE FO AND I NOTED IN THE NEXT 10-15 MINS OF 'REPOS' VECTORING THAT THE CTLR MADE A COUPLE OTHER VECTOR ERRORS ON OTHER ACFT. THE CTLR APPEARED TO BE TAXED TO THE LIMIT OF HIS SKILL LEVEL. NEW YORK TRACON IS A HIGHLY CHALLENGING TFC ENVIRONMENT, EVEN DURING OPTIMUM WX AND OPS CONDITIONS, BUT WITH MARGINAL WX AND THEN CHANGING THE APCH IN USE WITH THE AIRSPACE SATURATED MAY CAUSE SOME CTLRS TO NOT BE AS VIGILANT AND DILIGENT AS THEY SHOULD BE AND ARE CAPABLE OF. TRUST YOUR TCASII!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.