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Attributes | |
ACN | 487178 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg.airport |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 36r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cvg.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 1800 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 487178 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Company Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
While operating as flight X, we were being vectored for the approach to runway 36R at cvg. It was solid IFR conditions with low overcast ceilings and low visibility. As first officer, I was the PF for this leg and the captain was handling the radios. Things were operating as standard as usual for the cincinnati area. We had received our normal instruction to slow our speed and fly headings for spacing. To that point the controller had not gotten us confused with any other aircraft. We were handed off to the final approach controller on 124.70. He proceeded to give us vectors to intercept the approach course for runway 36R. We were at 4000 ft and had just intercepted the localizer when he cleared us for the ILS runway 36R. After communicating with another aircraft, the controller then stated 'air carrier X, turn left to a heading of 090 degrees.' I reached for the heading knob but stopped because something did not seem correct with the instruction. At the same time, my captain replied on the radio, 'sir, I understand you want air carrier X to turn left to 090 degrees?' the controller stated 'yes, air carrier X, turn left to 090 degrees.' my captain then said, 'but sir, that is a 270 degree turn and will take us through the approach path for runway 36L.' (runway 36L is the parallel runway and approachs were being conducted to that runway as well.) the controller then said 'air carrier X, you're confusing me, I need you to fly east.' captain then stated 'roger, air carrier X is turning right to east.' the controller then said 'air carrier X, turn left to heading 030 degrees and intercept the localizer to runway 36R.' by this time, both my captain and I were confused about what was going on. The controller then asked us if we were established on the runway 36R localizer. The captain then told the controller that 'no, you just turned us off the localizer to a heading of 090 degrees.' there was a slight pause, and then the controller said something like 'oh no, I know what happened,' and then 'air carrier Y, what is your heading?' the controller had gotten us (air carrier X) confused with air carrier Y who was coming from the northwest and was on a downwind leg heading 180 degrees. Obviously, had we not questioned the controller's original instructions to turn left, we could have had a very serious accident. We had the possibility of hitting not only the aircraft on the parallel approach, but also the aircraft on the downwind, and the aircraft on the approach behind us. I don't personally blame the controller for this mistake, ever since our company has gone to the 4 digit call signs, controllers everywhere are getting the numbers messed up. There have been numerous controllers who have complained about the call signs. I feel that unless the call signs are changed, there will be a serious accident happening. I just hope that it doesn't take that to happen to get this changed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CARJ FLC CHALLENGE CVG CTLR WHEN IT IS PERCEIVED THAT THERE IS SIMILAR COMPANY CALL SIGN CONFUSION.
Narrative: WHILE OPERATING AS FLT X, WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR THE APCH TO RWY 36R AT CVG. IT WAS SOLID IFR CONDITIONS WITH LOW OVCST CEILINGS AND LOW VISIBILITY. AS FO, I WAS THE PF FOR THIS LEG AND THE CAPT WAS HANDLING THE RADIOS. THINGS WERE OPERATING AS STANDARD AS USUAL FOR THE CINCINNATI AREA. WE HAD RECEIVED OUR NORMAL INSTRUCTION TO SLOW OUR SPD AND FLY HDGS FOR SPACING. TO THAT POINT THE CTLR HAD NOT GOTTEN US CONFUSED WITH ANY OTHER ACFT. WE WERE HANDED OFF TO THE FINAL APCH CTLR ON 124.70. HE PROCEEDED TO GIVE US VECTORS TO INTERCEPT THE APCH COURSE FOR RWY 36R. WE WERE AT 4000 FT AND HAD JUST INTERCEPTED THE LOC WHEN HE CLRED US FOR THE ILS RWY 36R. AFTER COMMUNICATING WITH ANOTHER ACFT, THE CTLR THEN STATED 'ACR X, TURN L TO A HDG OF 090 DEGS.' I REACHED FOR THE HDG KNOB BUT STOPPED BECAUSE SOMETHING DID NOT SEEM CORRECT WITH THE INSTRUCTION. AT THE SAME TIME, MY CAPT REPLIED ON THE RADIO, 'SIR, I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT ACR X TO TURN L TO 090 DEGS?' THE CTLR STATED 'YES, ACR X, TURN L TO 090 DEGS.' MY CAPT THEN SAID, 'BUT SIR, THAT IS A 270 DEG TURN AND WILL TAKE US THROUGH THE APCH PATH FOR RWY 36L.' (RWY 36L IS THE PARALLEL RWY AND APCHS WERE BEING CONDUCTED TO THAT RWY AS WELL.) THE CTLR THEN SAID 'ACR X, YOU'RE CONFUSING ME, I NEED YOU TO FLY E.' CAPT THEN STATED 'ROGER, ACR X IS TURNING R TO E.' THE CTLR THEN SAID 'ACR X, TURN L TO HDG 030 DEGS AND INTERCEPT THE LOC TO RWY 36R.' BY THIS TIME, BOTH MY CAPT AND I WERE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. THE CTLR THEN ASKED US IF WE WERE ESTABLISHED ON THE RWY 36R LOC. THE CAPT THEN TOLD THE CTLR THAT 'NO, YOU JUST TURNED US OFF THE LOC TO A HDG OF 090 DEGS.' THERE WAS A SLIGHT PAUSE, AND THEN THE CTLR SAID SOMETHING LIKE 'OH NO, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED,' AND THEN 'ACR Y, WHAT IS YOUR HDG?' THE CTLR HAD GOTTEN US (ACR X) CONFUSED WITH ACR Y WHO WAS COMING FROM THE NW AND WAS ON A DOWNWIND LEG HDG 180 DEGS. OBVIOUSLY, HAD WE NOT QUESTIONED THE CTLR'S ORIGINAL INSTRUCTIONS TO TURN L, WE COULD HAVE HAD A VERY SERIOUS ACCIDENT. WE HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF HITTING NOT ONLY THE ACFT ON THE PARALLEL APCH, BUT ALSO THE ACFT ON THE DOWNWIND, AND THE ACFT ON THE APCH BEHIND US. I DON'T PERSONALLY BLAME THE CTLR FOR THIS MISTAKE, EVER SINCE OUR COMPANY HAS GONE TO THE 4 DIGIT CALL SIGNS, CTLRS EVERYWHERE ARE GETTING THE NUMBERS MESSED UP. THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS CTLRS WHO HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE CALL SIGNS. I FEEL THAT UNLESS THE CALL SIGNS ARE CHANGED, THERE WILL BE A SERIOUS ACCIDENT HAPPENING. I JUST HOPE THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT TO HAPPEN TO GET THIS CHANGED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.