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A crossing altitude is missed with prior approval, approach controller is surprised since information was not passed from ARTCC.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 487400 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200010 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Ice |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp.artcc tracon : m98.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : sketr.2 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 487400 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Facility Flight Crew Human Performance Weather ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Approach ATIS indicated landing runway 30R, FMC was programmed to reach 'karie' at 11000 ft and later ATC gave us clearance to cross 'karie' at 11000 ft. Descent began at computed top-of-descent point. Upon descending into the 26000-28000 ft range that msp had a runway change runway 12L and ATC was now busy giving everyone descent clrncs to class 'shonn' at 11000 ft. I had the first officer check with ATC and they quickly gave us shonn at 11000 ft and slow now to 290 KTS. We asked if being high at shonn intersection was ok - ATC said do the best you can. Another aircraft behind also got this relief. Over shonn we were instructed to call approach and checked in 15000 ft for 11000 ft and indicated our being high for the crossing. Approach said that is ok now but needs to know sooner. Apparently ATC never passed on our relief. ATC/approach were very busy at this 'red-eye' arrival time period.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A XING ALT IS MISSED WITH PRIOR APPROVAL, APCH CTLR IS SURPRISED SINCE INFO WAS NOT PASSED FROM ARTCC.
Narrative: APCH ATIS INDICATED LNDG RWY 30R, FMC WAS PROGRAMMED TO REACH 'KARIE' AT 11000 FT AND LATER ATC GAVE US CLRNC TO CROSS 'KARIE' AT 11000 FT. DSCNT BEGAN AT COMPUTED TOP-OF-DSCNT POINT. UPON DSNDING INTO THE 26000-28000 FT RANGE THAT MSP HAD A RWY CHANGE RWY 12L AND ATC WAS NOW BUSY GIVING EVERYONE DSCNT CLRNCS TO CLASS 'SHONN' AT 11000 FT. I HAD THE FO CHK WITH ATC AND THEY QUICKLY GAVE US SHONN AT 11000 FT AND SLOW NOW TO 290 KTS. WE ASKED IF BEING HIGH AT SHONN INTXN WAS OK - ATC SAID DO THE BEST YOU CAN. ANOTHER ACFT BEHIND ALSO GOT THIS RELIEF. OVER SHONN WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CALL APCH AND CHKED IN 15000 FT FOR 11000 FT AND INDICATED OUR BEING HIGH FOR THE XING. APCH SAID THAT IS OK NOW BUT NEEDS TO KNOW SOONER. APPARENTLY ATC NEVER PASSED ON OUR RELIEF. ATC/APCH WERE VERY BUSY AT THIS 'RED-EYE' ARR TIME PERIOD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.