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Attributes | |
ACN | 487530 |
Time | |
Date | 200010 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : rbv.vortac |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : eno.rbv1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 487530 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While level at 19000 ft, we were given clearance to 'cross holey intersection at 11000 ft.' we have done this arrival many times before and were very familiar with it (robbinsville one arrival to ewr). Though the clearance to cross holey at 11000 ft was issued later than normal, we were capable of complying and accepted the clearance. The first officer (PF) elected to use the vertical navigation portion of our FMS to descend. He had some difficulty getting the FMS to start the descent. The process of punching buttons distracted both of us. By the time we started down we were well behind profile. Despite the use of speed brakes and engines at idle, we crossed holey at approximately 13000 ft, while descending at more than 3000 FPM. We did not cause any conflicts that we are aware of and the controller did not say anything. In hindsight, we should have been anticipating the rapid descent and had been ready with the FMS (and quicker with the FMS). It would also have been better if we had not let the button pushing distract us from the task at hand. Positional awareness suffers when both pilots have their heads down, programming a computer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DSNDING ACFT UNABLE TO CROSS FIX AT ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: WHILE LEVEL AT 19000 FT, WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO 'CROSS HOLEY INTXN AT 11000 FT.' WE HAVE DONE THIS ARR MANY TIMES BEFORE AND WERE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT (ROBBINSVILLE ONE ARR TO EWR). THOUGH THE CLRNC TO CROSS HOLEY AT 11000 FT WAS ISSUED LATER THAN NORMAL, WE WERE CAPABLE OF COMPLYING AND ACCEPTED THE CLRNC. THE FO (PF) ELECTED TO USE THE VERT NAV PORTION OF OUR FMS TO DSND. HE HAD SOME DIFFICULTY GETTING THE FMS TO START THE DSCNT. THE PROCESS OF PUNCHING BUTTONS DISTRACTED BOTH OF US. BY THE TIME WE STARTED DOWN WE WERE WELL BEHIND PROFILE. DESPITE THE USE OF SPD BRAKES AND ENGS AT IDLE, WE CROSSED HOLEY AT APPROX 13000 FT, WHILE DSNDING AT MORE THAN 3000 FPM. WE DID NOT CAUSE ANY CONFLICTS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF AND THE CTLR DID NOT SAY ANYTHING. IN HINDSIGHT, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANTICIPATING THE RAPID DSCNT AND HAD BEEN READY WITH THE FMS (AND QUICKER WITH THE FMS). IT WOULD ALSO HAVE BEEN BETTER IF WE HAD NOT LET THE BUTTON PUSHING DISTRACT US FROM THE TASK AT HAND. POSITIONAL AWARENESS SUFFERS WHEN BOTH PLTS HAVE THEIR HEADS DOWN, PROGRAMMING A COMPUTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.