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Attributes | |
ACN | 487891 |
Time | |
Date | 200010 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8500 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d21.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 1000 flight time type : 50 |
ASRS Report | 487891 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : gpws |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
Flight was cleared out of 12000 ft to 6000. Passing 8500 ft received a GPWS warning 'terrain terrain... Pull up... Pull up...' PF stopped the rate of descent and climbed immediately to 10000 ft. As climb was initiated the ADI indicated 800 ft AGL on the radar altimeter and descending. ATC verified present altitude once leveled off at 10000 ft and current/correct altimeter setting 30.02. They also verified that there was not other aircraft within close proximity of the aircraft at the time of occurrence. Once level all GPWS warnings went away and aircraft stabilized, we continued the descent to 6000 ft and proceeded to dtw without any further problems or alerts. An airbus that we were following came up on the radio and said 'they received the same cockpit warnings and felt that it was due to the precipitation.' additionally a B757 aircraft ahead on the approach had a momentary gear not down EICAS indication on descent. Speaking with the aircraft's captain he said that the EICAS message was momentary and immediately went away without any additional occurrence. The captain mentioned he received a 'gear not down' EICAS message and was accompanied by spurious reading on the radar altimeter of 1500 ft when at an altitude of approximately 8000 ft. I need to stress the fact that this was in continuous light to occasional moderate rain. Not severe precipitation conditions. I feel that this could have caused additional problems for aircraft on the early morning arrival in dtw. (Initiating climb with clearance to descend... Not a good thing) additionally with the comment from another glass aircraft (A-320)... 'That was just due to precipitation.' this statement could lead crews to disregard GPWS warnings at lower altitudes because they believe that it was due to heavy rain.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757-200 CREW HAD FALSE GPWS TERRAIN WARNING DESCENDING INTO DTW CLASS B.
Narrative: FLT WAS CLRED OUT OF 12000 FT TO 6000. PASSING 8500 FT RECEIVED A GPWS WARNING 'TERRAIN TERRAIN... PULL UP... PULL UP...' PF STOPPED THE RATE OF DESCENT AND CLIMBED IMMEDIATELY TO 10000 FT. AS CLB WAS INITIATED THE ADI INDICATED 800 FT AGL ON THE RADAR ALTIMETER AND DESCENDING. ATC VERIFIED PRESENT ALTITUDE ONCE LEVELED OFF AT 10000 FT AND CURRENT/CORRECT ALTIMETER SETTING 30.02. THEY ALSO VERIFIED THAT THERE WAS NOT OTHER ACFT WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE ACFT AT THE TIME OF OCCURRENCE. ONCE LEVEL ALL GPWS WARNINGS WENT AWAY AND ACFT STABILIZED, WE CONTINUED THE DESCENT TO 6000 FT AND PROCEEDED TO DTW WITHOUT ANY FURTHER PROBS OR ALERTS. AN AIRBUS THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING CAME UP ON THE RADIO AND SAID 'THEY RECEIVED THE SAME COCKPIT WARNINGS AND FELT THAT IT WAS DUE TO THE PRECIPITATION.' ADDITIONALLY A B757 ACFT AHEAD ON THE APCH HAD A MOMENTARY GEAR NOT DOWN EICAS INDICATION ON DESCENT. SPEAKING WITH THE ACFT'S CAPT HE SAID THAT THE EICAS MSG WAS MOMENTARY AND IMMEDIATELY WENT AWAY WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL OCCURRENCE. THE CAPT MENTIONED HE RECEIVED A 'GEAR NOT DOWN' EICAS MSG AND WAS ACCOMPANIED BY SPURIOUS READING ON THE RADAR ALTIMETER OF 1500 FT WHEN AT AN ALTITUDE OF APPROX 8000 FT. I NEED TO STRESS THE FACT THAT THIS WAS IN CONTINUOUS LIGHT TO OCCASIONAL MODERATE RAIN. NOT SEVERE PRECIPITATION CONDITIONS. I FEEL THAT THIS COULD HAVE CAUSED ADDITIONAL PROBS FOR ACFT ON THE EARLY MORNING ARRIVAL IN DTW. (INITIATING CLB WITH CLRNC TO DESCEND... NOT A GOOD THING) ADDITIONALLY WITH THE COMMENT FROM ANOTHER GLASS ACFT (A-320)... 'THAT WAS JUST DUE TO PRECIPITATION.' THIS STATEMENT COULD LEAD CREWS TO DISREGARD GPWS WARNINGS AT LOWER ALTITUDES BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS DUE TO HEAVY RAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.