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Attributes | |
ACN | 488196 |
Time | |
Date | 200010 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 25l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 119 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 25l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller military : 4 controller radar : 17 controller time certified in position1 : 2 |
ASRS Report | 488196 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : separated traffic |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
A B747 (X) heavy was given an ILS to runway 25L at lax. Air carrier Y was turned on 4 mi in-trail and crossed hunda intersection less than 5 mi in-trail, less than 1000 ft above. Actual altitude at hunda were 3500 ft for the B747 and 4000 ft for the C120 (Y). I called the associate handoff position, upon seeing the operational error and asked if visual separation was being applied. He responded with I don't know.' then off recorded land lines, I asked 'do we need scratch pad on air carrier Y.' this denotes (scratch pad) that visual separation is being applied. I was told 'you tell us.' by the time I could talk to air carrier Y (radio communications xfer), there was 5 mi between aircraft. I repeatedly called air carrier Y pointing out the B747 ahead and initiated a handoff to departure. They accepted the handoff. With the B747 less than 1 mi from touchdown, I tried one last time to effect visual separation and air carrier Y reported the B747 'in sight.' I instructed air carrier Y to maintain visual separation and cleared him for a visual approach. I then notified departures that air carrier Y was not going around and modified the position tag back to AR1's symbol. I believe management saw the error and both AR1 and AH1 were aware of the loss of separation. Air carrier Y had less than 6 mi behind the B747.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SCT CTLR SEPARATES 2 ACR ACFT LNDG LAX AFTER BEING XFERRED BY ANOTHER ADJACENT CTL SECTOR WITH LTSS.
Narrative: A B747 (X) HVY WAS GIVEN AN ILS TO RWY 25L AT LAX. ACR Y WAS TURNED ON 4 MI IN-TRAIL AND CROSSED HUNDA INTXN LESS THAN 5 MI IN-TRAIL, LESS THAN 1000 FT ABOVE. ACTUAL ALT AT HUNDA WERE 3500 FT FOR THE B747 AND 4000 FT FOR THE C120 (Y). I CALLED THE ASSOCIATE HDOF POS, UPON SEEING THE OPERROR AND ASKED IF VISUAL SEPARATION WAS BEING APPLIED. HE RESPONDED WITH I DON'T KNOW.' THEN OFF RECORDED LAND LINES, I ASKED 'DO WE NEED SCRATCH PAD ON ACR Y.' THIS DENOTES (SCRATCH PAD) THAT VISUAL SEPARATION IS BEING APPLIED. I WAS TOLD 'YOU TELL US.' BY THE TIME I COULD TALK TO ACR Y (RADIO COMS XFER), THERE WAS 5 MI BTWN ACFT. I REPEATEDLY CALLED ACR Y POINTING OUT THE B747 AHEAD AND INITIATED A HDOF TO DEP. THEY ACCEPTED THE HDOF. WITH THE B747 LESS THAN 1 MI FROM TOUCHDOWN, I TRIED ONE LAST TIME TO EFFECT VISUAL SEPARATION AND ACR Y RPTED THE B747 'IN SIGHT.' I INSTRUCTED ACR Y TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION AND CLRED HIM FOR A VISUAL APCH. I THEN NOTIFIED DEPS THAT ACR Y WAS NOT GOING AROUND AND MODIFIED THE POS TAG BACK TO AR1'S SYMBOL. I BELIEVE MGMNT SAW THE ERROR AND BOTH AR1 AND AH1 WERE AWARE OF THE LOSS OF SEPARATION. ACR Y HAD LESS THAN 6 MI BEHIND THE B747.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.