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Attributes | |
ACN | 492148 |
Time | |
Date | 200011 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 24r other other |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll ground other : tkof abort |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 492148 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 492724 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters other non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : rejected takeoff other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : lax.tower staffing : lax.tower |
Narrative:
Runway incursion. Checked in with lax tower just prior to romem LOM for runway 24R with no response. Checked in after romen with no response. Lax tower cleared us to land at just below 1000 ft. During landing rollout, tower cleared us to cross runway 24L. We requested reverse high speed with no response from tower. Tower again cleared us across runway 24L contact ground on 121.65. As we entered runway 24L we heard tower call for air carrier abc to abort takeoff on runway 24L. We were unable to see departure end of runway 24L. We overheard air carrier abc acknowledge abort and we cleared runway 24L expeditiously. After gate arrival, captain called lax tower. Lax tower supervisor stated potential operational error on lax tower's part. Supplemental information from acn 492724: while on landing rollout on runway 24R we were cleared to cross runway 24L and contact ground other side. We requested to use the reverse high speed, and received no reply. We proceeded towards the forward high speed and before reaching the hold short runway 24L bar, were again cleared to cross runway 24L and contact ground 121.65 the other side. The first officer acknowledged with a readback and the taxi continued. Approximately 1/3 onto runway 24L we heard the controller announcing an abort for an aircraft on runway 24L. By this time we were approximately 1/2 to 2/3 across the runway 24L and expedited the rest of the way across. Due to the angle of the high speed and the night conditions it was not possible to see the aircraft at the departure end of runway 24L prior to this event. The tower was contacted after shutdown. They had pulled the tapes and advised the captain that 'they were investigating an operational error on their part.' supplemental information from acn 492720: we were cleared for takeoff on runway 24L. At 90 KTS tower canceled clearance due to another air carrier crossing downfield. We aborted and returned to gate for brake inspection. The captain of the crossing aircraft came by the gate and told us he had been cleared by another controller to cross runway 24L after his landing rollout on runway 24R. After talking to tower, he said that tower acknowledged it was their operational error.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: 2 ACR MD80'S ALMOST COLLIDE ON RWY 24L AND TXWY Z IN LAX.
Narrative: RWY INCURSION. CHKED IN WITH LAX TWR JUST PRIOR TO ROMEM LOM FOR RWY 24R WITH NO RESPONSE. CHKED IN AFTER ROMEN WITH NO RESPONSE. LAX TWR CLRED US TO LAND AT JUST BELOW 1000 FT. DURING LNDG ROLLOUT, TWR CLRED US TO CROSS RWY 24L. WE REQUESTED REVERSE HIGH SPD WITH NO RESPONSE FROM TWR. TWR AGAIN CLRED US ACROSS RWY 24L CONTACT GND ON 121.65. AS WE ENTERED RWY 24L WE HEARD TWR CALL FOR ACR ABC TO ABORT TKOF ON RWY 24L. WE WERE UNABLE TO SEE DEP END OF RWY 24L. WE OVERHEARD ACR ABC ACKNOWLEDGE ABORT AND WE CLRED RWY 24L EXPEDITIOUSLY. AFTER GATE ARR, CAPT CALLED LAX TWR. LAX TWR SUPVR STATED POTENTIAL OPERROR ON LAX TWR'S PART. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 492724: WHILE ON LNDG ROLLOUT ON RWY 24R WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS RWY 24L AND CONTACT GND OTHER SIDE. WE REQUESTED TO USE THE REVERSE HIGH SPD, AND RECEIVED NO REPLY. WE PROCEEDED TOWARDS THE FORWARD HIGH SPD AND BEFORE REACHING THE HOLD SHORT RWY 24L BAR, WERE AGAIN CLRED TO CROSS RWY 24L AND CONTACT GND 121.65 THE OTHER SIDE. THE FO ACKNOWLEDGED WITH A READBACK AND THE TAXI CONTINUED. APPROX 1/3 ONTO RWY 24L WE HEARD THE CTLR ANNOUNCING AN ABORT FOR AN ACFT ON RWY 24L. BY THIS TIME WE WERE APPROX 1/2 TO 2/3 ACROSS THE RWY 24L AND EXPEDITED THE REST OF THE WAY ACROSS. DUE TO THE ANGLE OF THE HIGH SPD AND THE NIGHT CONDITIONS IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO SEE THE ACFT AT THE DEP END OF RWY 24L PRIOR TO THIS EVENT. THE TWR WAS CONTACTED AFTER SHUTDOWN. THEY HAD PULLED THE TAPES AND ADVISED THE CAPT THAT 'THEY WERE INVESTIGATING AN OPERROR ON THEIR PART.' SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 492720: WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF ON RWY 24L. AT 90 KTS TWR CANCELED CLRNC DUE TO ANOTHER ACR XING DOWNFIELD. WE ABORTED AND RETURNED TO GATE FOR BRAKE INSPECTION. THE CAPT OF THE XING ACFT CAME BY THE GATE AND TOLD US HE HAD BEEN CLRED BY ANOTHER CTLR TO CROSS RWY 24L AFTER HIS LNDG ROLLOUT ON RWY 24R. AFTER TALKING TO TWR, HE SAID THAT TWR ACKNOWLEDGED IT WAS THEIR OPERROR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.