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Experimental aircraft pilot experiences conflict with instructional aircraft holding in position mid runway at dan.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 493161 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200111 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dan.airport |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : abq.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Amateur (Home) Built |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 24 flight time total : 590 flight time type : 38 |
| ASRS Report | 493161 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : executed go around flight crew : took evasive action |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 600 vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I called unicom for traffic advisory and was told that there was one aircraft taking off for touch and go and one inbound from the east for runway 20. I radioed that I would be making a left 45 degree entry into the pattern. While I was on the left 45 degree line about 1/4 mile from downwind entry, the warrior (Y), took off and made a quick left turn to downwind. I slowed the RV4 to minimum airspeed for downwind and followed the warrior. When I was at the point to turn base (1/4 mile passed the numbers), the warrior was still on downwind. I called the warrior and asked if he was landing at danville. He said he was, so I said that I would go around because I didn't like to fly a 3-MILE final. I turned crosswind,upwind,crosswind and then downwind calling all out over the radio. When on downwind, I saw the warrior sitting on the runway. I called base, then final, then short final, but the warrior kept sitting on the active runway. So I called out that I would go around again. When I was on upwind the warrior started taking off and climbed out quickly. When the warrior reached my altitude, it came over to the right side of the runway and I had to turn to miss him. After I passed the warrior, I called that I was turning crosswind and turned crosswind then downwind. At this time the aircraft inbound from the east was on downwind. I radioed that I had him in sight and would try to land behind him. He landed and called clear of active then I landed. I told the warrior that he was not suppose to stop on the active runway with traffic in the pattern. He didn't say anything, but that he wanted my north number. I gave him my north number and asked who was flying the warrior. He would not answer me. Callback conversation with the reporter revealed the following information: reporter indicated that training school aircraft often stop mid-runway during touch and go operations at dan in order to conduct instructor student discussion sessions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EXPERIMENTAL ACFT PLT EXPERIENCES CONFLICT WITH INSTRUCTIONAL ACFT HOLDING IN POS MID RWY AT DAN.
Narrative: I CALLED UNICOM FOR TFC ADVISORY AND WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS ONE ACFT TAKING OFF FOR TOUCH AND GO AND ONE INBOUND FROM THE E FOR RWY 20. I RADIOED THAT I WOULD BE MAKING A L 45 DEGREE ENTRY INTO THE PATTERN. WHILE I WAS ON THE L 45 DEGREE LINE ABOUT 1/4 MILE FROM DOWNWIND ENTRY, THE WARRIOR (Y), TOOK OFF AND MADE A QUICK L TURN TO DOWNWIND. I SLOWED THE RV4 TO MINIMUM AIRSPEED FOR DOWNWIND AND FOLLOWED THE WARRIOR. WHEN I WAS AT THE POINT TO TURN BASE (1/4 MILE PASSED THE NUMBERS), THE WARRIOR WAS STILL ON DOWNWIND. I CALLED THE WARRIOR AND ASKED IF HE WAS LNDG AT DANVILLE. HE SAID HE WAS, SO I SAID THAT I WOULD GAR BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE TO FLY A 3-MILE FINAL. I TURNED XWIND,UPWIND,XWIND AND THEN DOWNWIND CALLING ALL OUT OVER THE RADIO. WHEN ON DOWNWIND, I SAW THE WARRIOR SITTING ON THE RWY. I CALLED BASE, THEN FINAL, THEN SHORT FINAL, BUT THE WARRIOR KEPT SITTING ON THE ACTIVE RWY. SO I CALLED OUT THAT I WOULD GAR AGAIN. WHEN I WAS ON UPWIND THE WARRIOR STARTED TAKING OFF AND CLIMBED OUT QUICKLY. WHEN THE WARRIOR REACHED MY ALTITUDE, IT CAME OVER TO THE R SIDE OF THE RWY AND I HAD TO TURN TO MISS HIM. AFTER I PASSED THE WARRIOR, I CALLED THAT I WAS TURNING XWIND AND TURNED XWIND THEN DOWNWIND. AT THIS TIME THE ACFT INBOUND FROM THE E WAS ON DOWNWIND. I RADIOED THAT I HAD HIM IN SIGHT AND WOULD TRY TO LAND BEHIND HIM. HE LANDED AND CALLED CLR OF ACTIVE THEN I LANDED. I TOLD THE WARRIOR THAT HE WAS NOT SUPPOSE TO STOP ON THE ACTIVE RWY WITH TFC IN THE PATTERN. HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BUT THAT HE WANTED MY N NUMBER. I GAVE HIM MY N NUMBER AND ASKED WHO WAS FLYING THE WARRIOR. HE WOULD NOT ANSWER ME. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH THE RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR INDICATED THAT TRAINING SCHOOL ACFT OFTEN STOP MID-RWY DURING TOUCH AND GO OPS AT DAN IN ORDER TO CONDUCT INSTRUCTOR STUDENT DISCUSSION SESSIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.