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Attributes | |
ACN | 496136 |
Time | |
Date | 200012 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Snow |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : takeoff roll ground : preflight ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 136 flight time total : 11440 flight time type : 1647 |
ASRS Report | 496136 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 496236 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe maintenance problem : improper documentation non adherence : company policies non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance Maintenance Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
Concern: were we legal as a line crew to accept a dispatched airplane with a ferry permit without special crew qualifications? The copilot and I are line pilots. Airline operations control center recalled us from crew rest to operate ferry flight from cle. The aircraft had been written up for unstable oscillations during cruise which ceased by disconnecting both yaw dampers. Repairs were made, however, the problem continued to occur. The aircraft was again written up coming into cle and as a result, airline elected to take the aircraft (A300-600) out of revenue service and ferry it to the company home base in lieu of repairing it at cle. The crew was presented with the aircraft logbook, maintenance history, and a ferry permit. I was extensively briefed by the previous captain on the unusual flight characteristics. The logbook paperwork included an ard (computerized maintenance tracking and history printout with maintenance airworthiness release) that had been valid for the previous flight, though expired for our flight. Attached was the handwritten write-up that had not been cleared, describing the unusual flight characteristics. Additionally, a second handwritten write-up was attached with a mechanic's airworthiness authority/authorized to release the aircraft for a ferry flight back to home base. A new ard was attached, but could not be completed because the aircraft had an open write-up (due to the computer safety limitations with work in progress). The mechanic told us that his handwritten authority/authorized with the ferry permit constituted an airworthiness certification. Operations control center then released the aircraft for this 1 leg flight. After reviewing all of the available documentation, we believed that we were legal to make the flight. During takeoff, climb and initial cruise, I hand flew the airplane. The aircraft was trimmed at cruise and was quite stable. After approximately 10 mins of cruise, I elected to engage one of the autoplts and no problems occurred. The cruise altitude was at the 'no yaw damper' ceiling, which is below the altitude the previous crew had encountered their unusual flight characteristics. I elected to descend the aircraft at 290 KTS (instead of 325 KTS). I elected to disconnect the autoplt for the approach and landing. The entire flight was uneventful. I am now concerned that a line crew is not trained or qualified to conduct ferry flts for aircraft that have mechanical defects not covered by the aircraft's MEL or cdl. I had always seen management and/or flight test pilots conduct ferry flts. I believe that the company operations manual should contain detailed information relieving the crew of making a judgement decision as to legality. Supplemental information from acn 496236: I am concerned that we were not legal to conduct this flight. This flight should have been flown by a management or company flight test pilot. We should have called our maintenance control center or chief pilot prior to operating this flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A300-600 FLC PONDERS THE LEGALITY OF THEIR FERRY FLT WITH THE YAW DAMPER INOP AS WELL AS THE STATUS OF THE ACFT WITH NON COMPUTER GENERATED PAPERWORK ADDRESSING THE AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS OF THEIR ACFT OUT OF CLE, OH.
Narrative: CONCERN: WERE WE LEGAL AS A LINE CREW TO ACCEPT A DISPATCHED AIRPLANE WITH A FERRY PERMIT WITHOUT SPECIAL CREW QUALIFICATIONS? THE COPLT AND I ARE LINE PLTS. AIRLINE OPS CTL CTR RECALLED US FROM CREW REST TO OPERATE FERRY FLT FROM CLE. THE ACFT HAD BEEN WRITTEN UP FOR UNSTABLE OSCILLATIONS DURING CRUISE WHICH CEASED BY DISCONNECTING BOTH YAW DAMPERS. REPAIRS WERE MADE, HOWEVER, THE PROB CONTINUED TO OCCUR. THE ACFT WAS AGAIN WRITTEN UP COMING INTO CLE AND AS A RESULT, AIRLINE ELECTED TO TAKE THE ACFT (A300-600) OUT OF REVENUE SVC AND FERRY IT TO THE COMPANY HOME BASE IN LIEU OF REPAIRING IT AT CLE. THE CREW WAS PRESENTED WITH THE ACFT LOGBOOK, MAINT HISTORY, AND A FERRY PERMIT. I WAS EXTENSIVELY BRIEFED BY THE PREVIOUS CAPT ON THE UNUSUAL FLT CHARACTERISTICS. THE LOGBOOK PAPERWORK INCLUDED AN ARD (COMPUTERIZED MAINT TRACKING AND HISTORY PRINTOUT WITH MAINT AIRWORTHINESS RELEASE) THAT HAD BEEN VALID FOR THE PREVIOUS FLT, THOUGH EXPIRED FOR OUR FLT. ATTACHED WAS THE HANDWRITTEN WRITE-UP THAT HAD NOT BEEN CLRED, DESCRIBING THE UNUSUAL FLT CHARACTERISTICS. ADDITIONALLY, A SECOND HANDWRITTEN WRITE-UP WAS ATTACHED WITH A MECH'S AIRWORTHINESS AUTH TO RELEASE THE ACFT FOR A FERRY FLT BACK TO HOME BASE. A NEW ARD WAS ATTACHED, BUT COULD NOT BE COMPLETED BECAUSE THE ACFT HAD AN OPEN WRITE-UP (DUE TO THE COMPUTER SAFETY LIMITATIONS WITH WORK IN PROGRESS). THE MECH TOLD US THAT HIS HANDWRITTEN AUTH WITH THE FERRY PERMIT CONSTITUTED AN AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATION. OPS CTL CTR THEN RELEASED THE ACFT FOR THIS 1 LEG FLT. AFTER REVIEWING ALL OF THE AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION, WE BELIEVED THAT WE WERE LEGAL TO MAKE THE FLT. DURING TKOF, CLB AND INITIAL CRUISE, I HAND FLEW THE AIRPLANE. THE ACFT WAS TRIMMED AT CRUISE AND WAS QUITE STABLE. AFTER APPROX 10 MINS OF CRUISE, I ELECTED TO ENGAGE ONE OF THE AUTOPLTS AND NO PROBS OCCURRED. THE CRUISE ALT WAS AT THE 'NO YAW DAMPER' CEILING, WHICH IS BELOW THE ALT THE PREVIOUS CREW HAD ENCOUNTERED THEIR UNUSUAL FLT CHARACTERISTICS. I ELECTED TO DSND THE ACFT AT 290 KTS (INSTEAD OF 325 KTS). I ELECTED TO DISCONNECT THE AUTOPLT FOR THE APCH AND LNDG. THE ENTIRE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. I AM NOW CONCERNED THAT A LINE CREW IS NOT TRAINED OR QUALIFIED TO CONDUCT FERRY FLTS FOR ACFT THAT HAVE MECHANICAL DEFECTS NOT COVERED BY THE ACFT'S MEL OR CDL. I HAD ALWAYS SEEN MGMNT AND/OR FLT TEST PLTS CONDUCT FERRY FLTS. I BELIEVE THAT THE COMPANY OPS MANUAL SHOULD CONTAIN DETAILED INFO RELIEVING THE CREW OF MAKING A JUDGEMENT DECISION AS TO LEGALITY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 496236: I AM CONCERNED THAT WE WERE NOT LEGAL TO CONDUCT THIS FLT. THIS FLT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FLOWN BY A MGMNT OR COMPANY FLT TEST PLT. WE SHOULD HAVE CALLED OUR MAINT CTL CTR OR CHIEF PLT PRIOR TO OPERATING THIS FLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.