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Attributes | |
ACN | 496272 |
Time | |
Date | 200012 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sdf.airport |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Snow |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mke.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 496272 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : 2 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
After conducting a walkaround, I advised the captain that there was snow adhering to the leading edge of the wings and upper surface of the fuselage. Since the wing heater was inoperative, the captain requested I obtain ladders to check if the tufts on the wing were frozen -- they were not. However, light snow covered the wing area with a buildup of snow on the leading edge that extended back on the wing about 8 inches. I advised the captain what I saw and he said that he had observed that the snow on the leading edge was easily brushed off. He said, 'we don't need to deice, what do you think?' I said I thought we did need to deice. He then said that, 'at this temperature adding hot water will only make this stuff freeze.' I replied that is what glycol was for, but the captain did not reply. Once I wa back in the cockpit, I contacted metering to check for delays. While I was waiting for release, the deice crew called. I advised the captain that the deice crew was ready to deice the aircraft and they wanted to I know what type fluid to use. It was 19 degrees F with light snow. The captain radioed the deice crew that he did not wish to be deiced. He stated that there was nothing adhering to the aircraft. After receiving clearance to push, the push crew called and they too asked if we were going to deice, and the captain said no. We were disconnected from the tow bar, taxied out and departed without incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CREW ALLEGEDLY TOOK OFF WITH SNOW ADHERING TO THE LEADING EDGE OF THE WINGS AND UPPER FUSELAGE.
Narrative: AFTER CONDUCTING A WALKAROUND, I ADVISED THE CAPT THAT THERE WAS SNOW ADHERING TO THE LEADING EDGE OF THE WINGS AND UPPER SURFACE OF THE FUSELAGE. SINCE THE WING HEATER WAS INOP, THE CAPT REQUESTED I OBTAIN LADDERS TO CHK IF THE TUFTS ON THE WING WERE FROZEN -- THEY WERE NOT. HOWEVER, LIGHT SNOW COVERED THE WING AREA WITH A BUILDUP OF SNOW ON THE LEADING EDGE THAT EXTENDED BACK ON THE WING ABOUT 8 INCHES. I ADVISED THE CAPT WHAT I SAW AND HE SAID THAT HE HAD OBSERVED THAT THE SNOW ON THE LEADING EDGE WAS EASILY BRUSHED OFF. HE SAID, 'WE DON'T NEED TO DEICE, WHAT DO YOU THINK?' I SAID I THOUGHT WE DID NEED TO DEICE. HE THEN SAID THAT, 'AT THIS TEMP ADDING HOT WATER WILL ONLY MAKE THIS STUFF FREEZE.' I REPLIED THAT IS WHAT GLYCOL WAS FOR, BUT THE CAPT DID NOT REPLY. ONCE I WA BACK IN THE COCKPIT, I CONTACTED METERING TO CHK FOR DELAYS. WHILE I WAS WAITING FOR RELEASE, THE DEICE CREW CALLED. I ADVISED THE CAPT THAT THE DEICE CREW WAS READY TO DEICE THE ACFT AND THEY WANTED TO I KNOW WHAT TYPE FLUID TO USE. IT WAS 19 DEGS F WITH LIGHT SNOW. THE CAPT RADIOED THE DEICE CREW THAT HE DID NOT WISH TO BE DEICED. HE STATED THAT THERE WAS NOTHING ADHERING TO THE ACFT. AFTER RECEIVING CLRNC TO PUSH, THE PUSH CREW CALLED AND THEY TOO ASKED IF WE WERE GOING TO DEICE, AND THE CAPT SAID NO. WE WERE DISCONNECTED FROM THE TOW BAR, TAXIED OUT AND DEPARTED WITHOUT INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.