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Attributes | |
ACN | 496670 |
Time | |
Date | 200101 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : pxr.vortac |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7400 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 496670 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : 4 |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Narrative:
Phx runway 8 shortened by 5000 ft. Our carrier does not have performance data for the shortened runway. ATIS advised us to inform them if unable to use runway 8. We advised on initial contact. Other than sequencing problems for approach, there were no conflicts as we were cleared for a visual to runway 7R. As we taxied in, we were asked to call the TRACON supervisor and given a phone number to copy. I have always felt that the taxi was an inappropriate time to tell a crew to call the FAA! My first officer had difficulty putting it behind him as we taxied to the gate. This is not any time for distrs. The FAA can certainly wait until the aircraft is in the chocks to play policeman.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 CREW REFUSED A LNDG ON A RWY THAT DID NOT HAVE COMPANY PROVIDED PERFORMANCE DATA.
Narrative: PHX RWY 8 SHORTENED BY 5000 FT. OUR CARRIER DOES NOT HAVE PERFORMANCE DATA FOR THE SHORTENED RWY. ATIS ADVISED US TO INFORM THEM IF UNABLE TO USE RWY 8. WE ADVISED ON INITIAL CONTACT. OTHER THAN SEQUENCING PROBS FOR APCH, THERE WERE NO CONFLICTS AS WE WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL TO RWY 7R. AS WE TAXIED IN, WE WERE ASKED TO CALL THE TRACON SUPVR AND GIVEN A PHONE NUMBER TO COPY. I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT THE TAXI WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE TIME TO TELL A CREW TO CALL THE FAA! MY FO HAD DIFFICULTY PUTTING IT BEHIND HIM AS WE TAXIED TO THE GATE. THIS IS NOT ANY TIME FOR DISTRS. THE FAA CAN CERTAINLY WAIT UNTIL THE ACFT IS IN THE CHOCKS TO PLAY POLICEMAN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.